|  |  | Názor na PIC 737 10. 4. 2006 / 21:34 | |
|  | Jaký máte názor na PIC 737? A jak si podle Vás vede při srovnání s PMDG 737 a LDS 767? |
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 |  |  | Re: Názor na PIC 737 10. 4. 2006 / 22:27 | |
|  | Nesrovnatelně horší... aspoň, co jsem měl možnost zkoušet.. |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 10. 4. 2006 / 22:36 | |
|  | Zalezi z jakeho pohledu se na to divas, mne prijde zase PMDG nesrovnatelne horsi... |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 01:03 | |
|  | Za předpokladu, že proudový motor nahazuješ pomocí elektrického proudu, tak ano... )) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 06:34 | |
|  | no jestli že ses od začátku na to koukal jako na defaultniho bulika tak se ani nedivim...
Stejně jako Pips sem od pořízení PIC737 už PMDG ani jednou nespustil... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 10:27 | |
|  | S defaultním bulíkem jsem neletěl od doby, co jsem měl Dreamfleeta a pak PMDG.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 10:33 | |
|  | vyhledej si v histori co jsi napsal kdyz to vyslo.....
prirovnal jsi to k default 737 aniz bys videl neco jineho nez screenshot¨
je to to same jako kdebych se kouknul na screeny pmdg a predem sem to zavrhl a rekl ze je to sracka.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 10:42 | |
|  | hmm, viděl jsem i screeny PICu, i jsem měl možnost s tím letět.. Ten let by doslova utrpení.. Nebylo fáze letu, kde bych nenašel nějakou chybu apod. To, co jsem psal před tím, bylo právě na základě screenů, který jsem viděl a na základě toho, co si pamatuju z real B737-400, jak vypadá.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 10:49 | |
|  | no PMDG kokpit taky neni zrovna nejraelnesji..jestli chces realnejsi simulaci na to musis navstivit trosku jinou kategorii simulatoru ... jak jsem se docetl tak mas tu moznost...my ostatni se stim musime,,shitem" spokojit...... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 11:14 | |
|  | Na tu "možnost" se taky ale nedostanu každej tejden... Většinou tak dvakrát do roka... A v mezidobí se musim spokojit s tím samým.. A když už jsme u toho, už jsem od PMDG de facto odešel... Level D 767 je podle mě super věc a jen tak něco se jí nevyrovná... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 11:21 | |
|  | Tak 767 mam taky a je povedena ale to je trosku jina ketagorie takze tu bych neresil... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: 9x: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 13:37 | |
|  | Tak přidám taky svůj názor.
S Level D létám jen proto, abych dovezl do Afriky humanitární pomoc s verzí Cargo. Je sice hezké, že to má větší dolet, max 0.84M cruize, ale jinak mne tohle letadlo fakt neuspokojuje. Před přistáním chci mít naladěny všechny radia, pokud to jen jde. Tady jde naladit jen jedno (pokud není na DEST letišti ILS)a to v modu AUTO se ladí až se tomu zachce. S plným zatížením mám rotate pomalu na konci rwy 24 na LKPR a to nemluvím, kdybych chtěl přerušit vzlet. Takže je zatím na 3. místě.
Na druhém mám PIC. Je to malé éro a celkem svižné. Má svoje chyby, ale létatelné je. Trochu nepřehledné displeje a horší přepínání mezi pohledy v kokpitu. Podotýkám, že létám jen v 2D a ne ve VC (ten je mi na nic). Jinak jsem s tímto érem po letové stránce spokojený.
No a na prvním místě je jasně PMDG 737. Ve 2D panelu si lze zvětšit 3 hlavní displeje, kde mám vše podstatné, co pro let potřebuji, včetně přípravy na start a přistání.
Jestli někdo hodnotí čudlíky a podobné blbiny a považuje to za VELMI důležité, tak já tomu říkám blbost velmi nedůležitá. Mne zajímá jak moc to simuluje a jak moc se to přiblíží svým chováním reálu. Rovněž je pro můj let důležitá přehlednost kokpitu. Level D to má nahňácané vše v jednom pohledu a tím sníží kvalitu přehlednosti. U PIC je to holt to samé. Takže opět je lepší PMDG.
Že to bere FPS, a co vám ho nebere? Když ne to, tak ono. Atd.
Level D je na dlouhé lajny. Já chci lítat a ne čumět do monitoru. Co je nad 3 hodiny letu, je otrava a ztráta času. Sice se s tím nalítají hodiny, ale co z toho? I s ATC to je jen: "Continue as filed." Z nudy a pokud to jde si vyžádám "short cut". Nic víc. Sice někdy letím dlouhou lajnu, právě tu Afriku pro CVARS, ale to má účel. Takže tady jsou na tom mnohem líp PIC, PMDG. Nevidím důvod, proč s "velkou krávou" lítat LKPR-LKTB.
Vím že hned najdu plno odpůrců toho co jsem napsal, ale je to můj názor, za tím si stojím a nebýt PMDG 737, tak bych s PIC 737 lítal nejčastěji. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: 9x: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 14:11 | |
|  | Mám i přez "malý" nálet s těmito všemi krásnými aérokrafty podobný názor s Latomem .-) Jen teda dodám že celkem dost radši šáhnu po ATRku od F1 je to takový větší vzrůšo ) .-))) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: 9x: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 14:58 | |
|  | Já taky s Latomem souhlasím, neurčoval bych první 3 místa, ale trojici na prvním místě. A to je pro mě PMDG 744,737NG a PIC 737. Přičemž, podepisuji to, co Latom řekl o PIC co se nepřehlednosti uspořádání a přepínání mezi pohledy týče. Na druhou stranu PIC oproti PMDG má dle mého čistě subjektivního názoru, lepší letový model, u PMDG se mi zdá, že reaguje jako stíhačka, kdežto u PIC se mi zdá, že je lépe cístit hmotnost letadla, spoždění všech ovl. prvků atd...Nakonec bych řekl, že u LEVEL-D považuji za skvělý addon, ale rozhodně bych ho nechtěl moc přechválit.Uuž jenom kvůli zmiňovaným problémům s rádiem a ne úplně šťastně řešenou databází SID/STAR nemohu souhlasit s těmi, kteří tenhle addon jednoduše staví vysoko nad ostatní, což si podle mě nezaslouží. Takže pro mě jednoznačně 1.místo: PMDG a PIC a 2.místo: Level-D 767 |
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|  | A sakra, zapomněl jsem ke skupince na prvním místě přihodit "Játro" od F1.... |
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|  | No teda |
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|  | Vzhledem k Osirisovu uvodnimu dotazu, nebylo treba se tucku venovat  |
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|  | Tj., ale ani jatro tam nebylo. |
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|  | Nojo, člověk vždycky na něco zapomene, ale co se zábavnosti a požitku z letu týče, tak nadevšemi addony 154ka ční...není nic lepšího, když se mi podařilo updatovat databázi k KLN90B tak už na ni máloco má... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 9x: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 15:28 | |
|  | A pod to se podepíšu. Ještě kdyby to umělo přepnout při ladění navigačních bodů GPSku do módu klávesnice, něco jako CDUčkov PMDG, kdy se píše přímo z klávesnice, nebo jako má právě ve stopadesátčtyřce INS I21 pro zadávání souřadnic možnost použití přímo numerickou sekci.
Anebo plánování trasy v nějakém externím sw. Už jsem i přemýšlel, že bych něco takovéhu udělal (vstup = txt soubor z navdata ==> výstup: txt soubor s "pamětí" stránek tras gpsky.) |
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|  | KLN-90 GPS má možnosť importu z FS FPL, takže si to vyexportuj do tohoto formátu a daj cez FS menu nahrať (lišta hore PT KLN90/bo tak nejak/ - FPL0dačo) |
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 |  |  | Re: Názor na PIC 737 10. 4. 2006 / 22:42 | |
|  | Zalezi na tom, co chces litat, zda klasiku nebo dalsi generaci - podle mne vse nad -600 je nepovedene letadlo a to co provedli s kokpitem je neco mezi Ackem a klasikou - tudiz pro mne hnus. Pokud chces litat PIC, tak doporucuji projit manual na B737 a opravdu dokonale se naucit ovladat treba FMC atd.
Nekteri zase budou oponovat, ze PIC nema funkcni sterace a Level D jo 
Opravdu si musis vybrat a rozhodnout se sam, co chces litat. Vsechny tri jsou vynikajici produkty a sam se rozhodni ktery typ letadla chces litat... |
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 |  |  | Re: Názor na PIC 737 10. 4. 2006 / 22:43 | |
|  | Hodne dlouho jsem letal s PMDG 737, ale po nakupu PIC 737 jsem ho uz ani jednou nespustil.Tezko hodnotit, ja jsem s PIC737 spokojenejsi, nezere tak FPS, simuluje IRS a je levnejsi, nez PMDG.PMDG je zase lepsi treba v tom, ze jejich externi model je opravdu vychytanej, textury ve virtualnim kokpitu jsou urcite kvalitnejsi-lec mozna je to zrovna jedna ze tech veci, co u toho razantneji poziraji FPS.PMDG ma urcite za svoji existenci rozsahlejsi a kvalitnejsi databazi s AIRACy a SID/STARY, coz ma - doufejme - PIC737 jeste pred sebou.Jak uz jsem rekl na zacatku, nemam potrebu spoustet PMDG, PIC737 me uz docela dlouho bavi vic. |
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 |  |  | Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 14:28 | |
|  | Nechci nějak moc flejmovat, ale mě to efemcíčko u PIC připadá jako taková ta lentilková kalkulačka Lítal sem s PMDG 737 a i s FT 737, ale na 1. místo bych dal PMDG a pak FT.
PS: jestli máte trable, tak lítejte s ATRoušem, ten je nej  |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 20:56 | |
|  | To chce vysvetleni, jak lentilkova kalkulacka? Me prislo, ze FMC u PMDG a PIC jsou ve svych funkcich temer ekvivalentni (u PICu jsou teda navic funkce souvisejici s IRS). |
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 |  |  | Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 17:52 | |
|  | No mam PIC i PMDG PIC není špatný ale vadí mi že tam nemám SIDY a STARY k některým letištím pak to že během letu v pohodě nic se neděje a najednou mi začne stoupat nebo klesat absolutně bez přičiny |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Názor na PIC 737 11. 4. 2006 / 20:02 | |
|  | Podle toho, co se píše na AVSIMU, nemá 737 PIC 2D panely pro pohledy do stran. Řeší to nějaký patch? |
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