|  |  | Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 18:11 | |
|  | V FMC se zobrazuje kurs dráhy. Na LKPR rwy 24 je to 244°. Podle map má dráha magneticý kurs 243°. Zobrazuje FMC tedy pravý, zeměpisný kurs? Jak se přepočítává magnetický na pravý? Podle mapy je pravý o + 2° (jestli je to VAR 2°E). Proč je tedy v FMC kurs 244°, a ne 245°? A při tvorbě SIDů a STARů se zapisuje pravý kurs, nebo magnetický? |
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 |  |  | Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 18:46 | |
|  | je to podla mna magneticky kurz a udaj vo FMC sa da vysvetlit jednoducho ako chyba |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 19:12 | |
|  | Že by byla chyba u většiny letišť (možná u všech), na která jsem kdy letěl? |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 19:25 | |
|  | V mapách je určitě kurz magnetický (je to na nich taky napsané), protože ten je v reálu jednodušeji zjistitelný.
V AIPu z května 2005 má dráha 24 kurz 244°. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 19:31 | |
|  | No jo, už to vidím. Proč je ale v mapě ILS app kurs 243°? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 19:36 | |
|  | Možno je lokalizér zle postavený? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 19:58 | |
|  | No, tenhle problem je snad u vsech letist (nejen v CR) a FMC PMDG. Vzdy se mi kurz ILS v FMC lisi minimalne o 1° v porovnani kurzu v mape. Ted jde o to, jestli je to bug nebo to tak ma byt doopravdy? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 20:18 | |
|  | nenapada Te chyba v zaokrouhlovani? .) (v PMDG, v mapach je to naprosto spravne  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 21:42 | |
|  | Je mi jasny, ze v mapach to bude spravne, ale ted nechapu, proc by PMDG, potazmo FMC melo zaokrouhlovat kurz drahy? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 20:39 | |
|  | Máš na LKPR 244°? Já to tak mám u LDS 767. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? + dotaz ohledne inklinace 15. 2. 2006 / 20:47 | |
|  | Deklinace se s casem meni, na kzde mape je informace o jeji velikosti a o datumu kdy byla urcena. Je tedy mozne ze je to na LKPR to preskocilo prave o ten kousicek a tim padem o zmenu jednoho stupne, protoze se to jiste bude zaokrouhlovat.
Ale vazeni mam jednu. Kazdy magneticky kompas je vyraben s kompenzaci pro inklinaci. Zajimalo by mne, jak je to s mag. kompasy u letadel, protoze prave inklinace zpusobi znacnou nepresnost na opacne hemisfere, nez na te pro kterou je kompenzace inklinace nastavena. Nebo neni zadna lze smerem od rovniku na obe strany stejne?
Posledni dotaz, jestlize je v kurzu drahy zapoctena deklinace, je tam zapoctena i deviace? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? + dotaz ohledne inklinace 16. 2. 2006 / 09:53 | |
|  | at 3) Deviace je zapsána v deviačním štítku a ten musí být v kokpitu, takže si pilot ji sám opraví při letu podle kompasu.
at 2) ted přesně nevím, ale kdysi jsem se na to ptal a jestli si vzpomínám dobře, je to řešený dvěma mag. kompasy ( oba jsou záložní). Jinak se používá princip gyroskopického setrvačníku. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? + dotaz ohledne inklinace 16. 2. 2006 / 16:43 | |
|  | Kompas vyrobeny pro severni polokouli nebude spravne ukazovat na jizni pol.
Ohledne toho gyrokompasu, je to pekna vecicka, ale musi se po urcite dobe korigovat kurs gyrokompasu s magnetickym kompasem. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? + dotaz ohledne inklinace 16. 2. 2006 / 17:49 | |
|  | ad. 3 samozrejme deviace zpusovena strojem ve kterm je kompas pouzivan je jasna, slo mi o deviaci, ktra je dana mistnimi anomaliemi (vlastnosti hornin...), ktere muzou zpusobir pry i nekolik stupnu.
ad.2 konkretne jsem mel na mysli napr. mag. kompas ktery na strednim sloupku myslim povinne v kazdem letounu. (i v B 743 jsem ho videl) Nekde jsem cetl, ze kdyz jako pasazer prijdete do pilotni kabiny a uvidite jak ho piloti sleduji, mate se zacit bat...  |
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 |  |  | Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 22:31 | |
|  | to je zase thread o nicem..
koukal jsem do navdat, a do map ... a neni to jak jsem si myslel pred nahlednim zadna chyba v zaokrouhleni, jenom nedostatecne prectena mapa... )) smer drahy 24 je opravdu 244, tudiz v navdata a FMSce je to zcela v poradku )) |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 23:05 | |
|  | Já vím, že je to 244°, ale proč je u ILS 243°? A v FMC je tedy jaký kurs? Magnetický, nebo skutečný? |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 23:17 | |
|  | ILS (resp. localizer) nemusi nutne mit kurs drahy ...  |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 15. 2. 2006 / 23:48 | |
|  | Na mapě je napsáno "Bearings, tracks and radials are magnetic".
ILS dráhy 24 má magnetický kurs 243°, viz AD 2-37-3
AD 2-19-1 zase říká: RWY24, DIRECTION 244°.
PMDG už moc nelítám, ale psalo to něco jako že ILS kurs nesouhlasí se směrem dráhy. Otázka tedy zní: Je to špatně u PMDG, protože by měl vědět že ILS24 má kurs 243, i když dráha má 244?
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 00:09 | |
|  | mno .. on z tech dat vi, ze draha ma 244 (ma to v navdatech) a localizer ma pravdepodobne 243 (to mu vyjde z definice staru) .. a asi se snazi jenom upozornit ze je tam nesoulad (ale to nutne neni chyba .. na svete je spousta takovych priblizeni)
PS: pokud si dobre pamatuju, tak me teda PMDG nic takovyho nehlasi .. ale to muze byt pouze skleroza , takze to netvrdim  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 15:03 | |
|  | V Navdatech, co jsem našel v FS adresářích, jsem neviděl definici ILS,ale asi to někde bude. Otázkou je, jestli obsahuje i kurs, nebo jenom frekvenci a pro jakou dráhu. Co např. takový Innsbruck? Tam to je vyoseno opravdu znatelně... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 17:39 | |
|  | Nehlásí, pokud na course selectoru nastavíš to, co ti napíše FMC.. Na stránce INIT REF. Pokud ale na course selectoru nastavíš kurs jinej, než je na týhle stránce FMC, tak se ti tam ta hláška objeví.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 17:47 | |
|  | aha to bude ono .. ja tam davam to co mi dala FMSka na APP INIT (ci jak se ten bazmek menuje ...  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 15:52 | |
|  | IMHO je to takhle asi správně, protože (nemám před sebou teď tu správnou mapu) ale když si vzpomenete na mapu letiště LKPR, tak vysílač ILS (a je tam zcela dobře k nalezení) stojí skoro vždycky vedle prahu dráhy. Akorát si nepamatuju, jestli je na RWY 24 vpravo, nebo vlevo, ale myslím, že právě tenhle je vlevo. A to může být ten důvod, proč na ILS je to 243 a RWY 244, to by pak mělo logiku. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 17:37 | |
|  | )))) To bude možná tím, že to je Glide path, nebo-li sestupová rovina.. Proto může bejt vyosenej... Localizer, je na druhým konci dráhy, taková podélná řada "tyčí"... Ten je v ose dráhy.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 17:40 | |
|  | resp. GP není vyosenej, ale je mimo osu dráhy, vlastně je mimo dráhu.. protože jinde ani bejt nemůže... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 17. 2. 2006 / 01:21 | |
|  | Taková technická mimo....vypadá glidepath jako tyč, která má po určitých výškách na sobě takový kovový "obdélníky" ? Asi dva ? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 17. 2. 2006 / 01:21 | |
|  | TEda...blbě jsem to napsal.... to co vysílá glide, jestli tak vypadá, samozřejmě... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 17. 2. 2006 / 07:17 | |
|  | ano vyzera, dokonca moze mat medzi tymi dvomi aj treti, tav. monitorovaci |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 15:42 | |
|  | To je treba zajimavy u LKPD- rwy 27 ma 271°, ILS 271° ale ILS v PMDG ma 272°, to samy PK od drahy- ve skutecnosti 091°, v PMDG (logicky) 092°. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 18:56 | |
|  | Tohle je presne to co sem mel na mysli, takhle je to u vetsiny drah... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Magnetický nebo pravý kurs v FMC? 16. 2. 2006 / 20:01 | |
|  | Tusil jsem ze smerujes k tomuhle, nicmene thread skoncil u deviace a deklinace.
Rekl bych ze to ma PMDG opravdu "v sobe", protoze jak rikas- je to u vetsiny drah (vetsiny se nerovna vsech . |
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