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|  | Jaké ortho v současné době používáte pro CZ v X-plane? (nejlépe s odkazem na dl link 😀 Předem díky za info |
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|  | Willhelm mi svojho času poslal torrent, nejaký chalan to urobil pre CZ-SK- HU, neviem to dohladat, asi to najlepsie co mame, skus napísať SZ Willhelmovi. Vedel by som ti to niekde uploadnut, ale som do decembra mimo domova a mám net len na mobile…, |
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|  | Plne suhlasim, tiez to orto mam a upresnim, ze je to CZ, SK, AT, HU a SL.
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|  | To orto zminene vyse taky pouzivam.
ne vsude se mi to barevne libi, tak to pro Cesko nekdy stridam s ortem odtud (to jsem mel driv):
http://zonephoto.org/Cartes.php
a mam to trochu barevne upraveny. Je to taky ZL16 a existuje i jeho varianta ZL17
Oboje orta fungujou dobre s autogenem:
https://simheaven.com/ |
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|  | Tak začnem od konca. Keď som ešte nevedel vyrobiť orto, tak Zonephoto bola záchrana. Dnes mám Zonephoto len v Novej Kaledonii. Dôvodom je väčšinou, že Zonephoto je ZL 16, miestami divné farby a staré. Bežne aj z roku 2012.
Potom som si stiahol Československo z uložto ZL 17. Nebolo zlé. Vadili mi ale také divné farby a vodoznak.
Postupným vývojom som sa aktuálne dostal k vlastným Orto. V prílohe je Orto LZPT Bing ZL 16 a DTM od Sonny vytvorené v júli 2023 za pomoci Ortho4XP. |
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|  | Pochopil jsem dobře , že tam tedy nemáš ten vodoznak ? |
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|  | s tym vodoznakom na ulozto som daval davno ja, bolo to z mapy.cz a existovalo zl16 a zl17 |
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|  | Možno by stálo za to urobit nové aktuálne dlaždice Česka a Slovenska v ZL 17 s aktuálnym výškopisom. Dáme sa dokopy? |
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|  | pokial viem, tak jediny podklad pre slovensko ktory je kvalitnz je od mapy.cz.. a tam stale svieti vodoznak, ci mas daku lepsiu alternativu ? |
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|  | Mapy cz už nefungujú. Ani cez EUR.lay ani cez CZ.lay. Mapy cz, ako vieš, súkomerčný produkt a preto stopli free využitie. To platí aj pre OSM, napríklad v JOSM sú najnovšie mapy cz zablokované.
Ale netreba zúfať. Máme našťastie geoportál CZ a SK. Pre Slovensko máme aj strašne zložitý návod. Zatiaľ som s aplikáciou nebol úspešný. Je len otazka času a vzdelávania sa, aby to správne fungovalo.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sk:Generovanie_dlaždíc_Ortofotomozaika_SR
Výškopis SR a CZ (DRM 5.0) mám spracovaný k okamžitému použitiu. Teda už ho úspešne používam. |
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|  | Já stále čekám na aktualizaci Meshtoolu. Ale to se asi jen tak brzy nedočkám. |
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|  | Nedalo mi to a našel jsem na HDD to Ortho region CZSK + Maďarsko a zkusil jen tak LKCM a pro mne absolutně nepoužitelné ,objekty nesedí a pojížděcí dráha vůbec není ani trochu zakřivená ,jak v reálu , což u mého generovaného Ortha je tak že se vracím na mé původní podklady a region CZSK šlo nadobro do koše . |
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|  | Máš na mysli tento torrent: zOrtho4XP_EU_Region_03_Czech_Slovakia_Hungary_v1.30?
Ja som ho ani nepozeral lebo je to podstatne staršie ako nový výškopis.
Dole je LKCM a Bing ZL 16 s novým výškopisom z júla toho roku.. |
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|  | Toto ma sere od zaciatku na X-Plane, ze orto obsahuje vyskopis.
Preco je to tak dementne vymeslene. ked mi potrebujeme len texturu a ne vyskopis (mesh) ?
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|  | Ale veď to nie je problem. Pozrel si si štruktúru zložky? |
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|  | Mna to sere ako konzumenta.
Stiahnem orto a vidim, ze to obsahuje stary alebo nevhodny mesh.
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|  | Plne chápem. Mňa navyše štve, keď doteraz LR tvrdí, že to tam nie je.
Dnes večer sem dám návod na riešenie. |
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|  | Presne, prečo to je spolu mi nikdy nerezalo.
V FS to bolo krásne, mesh a na to nalepíš čo chceš…
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|  | V podstate je to aj v XP 11 podobne, ale nie je to také jednoduché.
Najprv screenshot LZPT Bing 17 a Sonny výškopis.
Potom screenshot LZPT Arc 17 a Sonny výškopis.
Teda výškopis teda mesh teda sieť vytvorené elevations_data je v obidvoch prípadoch identická, len obrazky z orto sú rôzne. Rozlíšenie siete a aj obrázkov je identické.
Potom ešte pohľad na štuktúru súborov.
Pokračovanie zajtra. |
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|  | V prílohe je vidieť štuktúru jenotlivých zložiek. Je to slabo vidieť. Každý si to ale môže pozrieť sám vo svojej zložke. Rozdiel je iba v časti nazvu súboru a to Bi17 alebo Arc17. Ostatné je všetko rovnaké. To znamená že je možné v Ortho4XP vytvoriť novú zložku terrain a textures Bing 17 je možné dokopírovať z nejakej inej ortomapy. To platí aj pre google, Arc alebo mapy.cz. Nedá sa ale kombinovať terrain napríklad pre google a textures napríklad pre mapy cz.
V ortho4xp je všek možné podľa ľubovôle editovať a meniť obrázky vo formáte .jpg
Tieto obrázky sa nachádzajú v nasledujúcej zložke:
Ortho4XP-master/Orthophotos/+40+010/+48+018/Arc_17
Štruktúra je úplne rovnaká ako vo výsledných textures. Jedná sa o prípad dlaždice pre Nitru a Arc. |
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|  | Zde jsem použil výšková data rok 2012 , sice to není na 100% ,ale už se to blíží k realitě LKCM beta 2.
Je tam potřeba vymodelovat pár objektů znova ,ale bohužel dotyčný fajnšmekr se tomu z časových a osobních důvodů nemůže věnovat . Nově vymodeloval ULL hangár za který mu moc děkuji . |
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|  | Dotyčný byl se stavem meshe na LKCM dost nespokojen. Dva dny obětoval jen na hraní si s MUXP, aby mělo letiště výškový profil dne náměrů z mapy.cz - podmínkou byl ale XP11 bez ortha a jen lokální ortho pro letiště a blízké okolí. Uživatelů XPL je v ČR na dva mariášové stoly a co uživatel to jiné ortho a jiné výškové data. Peklo reality stavu XPL mezi CZ simptáky, na které jsem narazil už při betatestu Šumperské nemocnice s helipadem. Na hangár LKCM ale vzpomínám rád, byla to moje první budova co jsem modeloval s interiérem a funkčními průhlednými okny ven/dovnitř a zevnitř/ven, a parametrickým nočním nasvětlením z Blenderu. Dělal jsem ho právě kvůli meshi 2x a dalším technickým oříškem tam bylo vyřešit ten lokální terén, který je dělaný jako extra hardtop objekt - bohužel taky s omezením, protože v XP11 nesmí být hrana hardtop modelu moc hluboku pod meshem, jinak to působí jako crashbox. A další peklo bylo hraní si s texturama, stejnou texturu na polygonu a objektu engine XPL zobrazuje výrazně jinak. Řešení bylo típnout screen draped polygonu v XPL a z toho screenshotu pak dělat texturu pro objekt a odstíny ladit v PS a Blenderu. To byly vyšší desítky reloadu scenerky, úpravy, exportu modelu nebo textury, reloadu scenerky.
Ale super pocit, když jsem se pak poprvé spawnul s ULL uvnitř hangáru a let začínal rolováním z hangáru. Něco z toho co jsem se naučil při ULL hangáru LKCM se mi ale hodí i teď při práci na objektu, kde je momentálně ustájeno Kuňkadlo Juraje Tinky - výukový projekt tvorby do MSFS. |
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|  | @Willhelm Tvoje príspevky sú vždy osviežujúce. Popísal si to pekne dramaticky, ale máš pravdu.
Najhoršie na tom najnovšom (mojom) mesh je, že najbližšie nebude sedieť asi žiadne letisko. Nebude sedieť ani OSM a ani Autogen X-World od Simheaven. A kde bude sedieť ortomapa od jedného nebude sedieť od druhého. O global mesh od LR ani nehovorím.
Možno že spoločný mesh to v Európe všetko časom napraví. Inde po svete bude naďalej vládnuť absolútny chaos.
LR sa nedávno vyjadril, že snáď pre XP 12.10+ plánujú novú Global scenery. Teda pokiaľ to ešte bude niekoho zaujímať.... Ja som si tú asi týždeň starú debatu vypočul a som rozčarovaný. (ešte viac ako som bol)
Im je úplne jedno čo si normálny zákazník myslí, alebo čo chce. Oni majú pred očami len FAA certifikované zostavy, kde zarábajú peniaze. Malý zákazník im môže byť ukradnutý.
Za tohoto stavu sa ani nechystám kupovať XP 12. |
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|  | Ja teda neviem.
Ved my sami si zbytocne komplikujeme zivot.
Proste LR ma nejaky defualt mesh a na to by sme mali viazat ortotexturu.
Ale kazdy si vyrobi nejaky mesh, potom ich tu mame ''milion'', na neho nalepi ortotexturu, posle to do sveta a po stiahnuti sa vsetci cudujeme, ako nic nesedi.
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|  | Dobrá myšlienka. Tak by to malo byť. Fungovalo by to keby LR už roky nepoužíval vyslovený šrot. |
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|  | Tak zial, LR neni Microsoft, tak si musia vystacit s tym co maju.
Mne ten mesh staci, co mi doda LR, vzdy lepsie ako ziadny v ENSB.
A ENSB som si kupil a problem vyrieseny 
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|  | Mne je ukradnuty Tvoj sarkazmus, tak si komlikujte zivot dalej.
V hladinach mi je nejaky milimetrovy mesh k nicomu, kedze v XPL lietam iba airlinery.
Beriem to co je a hlavne lietam.
Na kochacky pouzivam MSFS. |
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|  | Ale veď každému ako sa mu páči. X-Plane to umožňuje. |
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|  | Já jsem ještě narazil na jiný problém. Kdysi jsem používal photosceneryx, ten běžel v základu na meshtoolu a problémů bylo minimum, ortho4xp meshtoolu vůbec nevyužívá aesh vytváří svým vlastním způsobem a zde je ten částečně zakopaný pes. Není sám potom čemu divit. To je jako když někdo udí dřevem a jiný v elektrické udírně. Obojí je uzení ale výsledek je naprosto odlišný. Vím blbý srovnání ale narychlo mě jiné nenapadlo, zrovna jsem svačil a hádejte co  |
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|  | uzený....
Tvoje hlboké vedomosti ohľadne mesh sú všeobecne známe... Upozorňujem ťa, že odborníci z LR sa v XP 12.12 alebo tak nejak chystajú prekopat aj mesh vody a vĺn. Zdroj: najnovšia diskúsia vedenia LR. Je to na YT. |
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|  | Přesně tohle ortho jsem myslel , jinak LKCM na tom obrázku se zdá bejt v pohodě . |
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|  | Jasné jsem pro , klidně pomůžu s generováním Ortha , když mi pošleš aktuální SR a CZ (DRM 5.0).Konečně by to bylo supr pro ty co pracují na scenerii ucelené ...tedy museli by stavět na aktuální výškové data a odpadl by ten problém s levitací objektů v luftě a naopak a u každého by scenerka seděla pěkně na terénu . |
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