|  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 19:39 | |
|  | Chcem sa opytat majitelov FS2020 na STEAMe.
Je verzia FS2020 zo STEAMu ako windows aplikacia, alebo ako klasicka aplikacia ?
Inymi slovami, viete najst subor FlightSimulator.exe a pozriet jeho obsah, velkost, vlastnosti apod. ?
Diky. |
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 |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 19:42 | |
|  | FlightSimulator.exe 333572160 bytes... složka v Steam knihovně má cca 1GB celkem a je to LAUNCHER. Tzn pustí to v podstatě to co pustí XBOX aplikace, ta se na steamu nespouští, ale spouštíš steam
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 |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 19:50 | |
|  | Totizto na STEAMe mam apku CPUCORES, ktora vie automaticky znizit afffinity pre beziace procesy a aplikcie, aby viac ostalo prostriedkov pre spustanu hru.
Samozrejme viem takto spustat aj nonSTEAM hry.
A ked som skusal spustit FS2020 z MS Store cez ten CPUCORES, tak ma to vzdy posle do prdele s hlaskou, ze FlightSimulator.exe neni pristupny zo systemu.
Takze teraz je rozhodujuci prave ten faktor, ci viem spustit FS2020 cez CPUCORES zo STEAMu.
Ak ano, kupim FS2020 na STEAMe, ak nie, tak ostavam pri XBOX Pass. |
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 19:54 | |
|  | To ti neřeknu, tu apku neznám, v každém případě to pouští tu ms store apku, skrze ten launcher ze steam knihovny |
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:00 | |
|  | Mám FSX Steam ale o takové apce slyším poprvé. Uvažuji o nákupu podobně. Můžeš to rozvést? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:03 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:08 | |
|  | Dík, byl jsi rychlejší. Třeba se ještě někdo ozve, kdo některou z nich používá. Nyní by se to mohlo obzvlášť hodit. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:10 | |
|  | Stejne mam z tej apky pocit, ze je to len take placebo 
Ale udajne to pomaha hlavne slabsim PC. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:22 | |
|  | A co bys tím chtěl získat? Nižší výkon?
Proč bys měnil alokaci které jádra hra používá, moderní používají všechy. Ano může se stát že tu a tam některá hra běží o 1-3% lépe s vypnutým HT nebo že začne ztrácet když běží na více než X jádrech (typicky 10+ jádrové procesory) Nic co by fakticky uživatel dokázal bez benchmarku poznat.
Navíc 15€ za takovou blbost, kterou jsi schopný udělat kdykoli manuálně základními nástroji OS. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:32 | |
|  | Jak nizsi vykon ?
Ked spustis hru, automaticky prideli hre vyssiu prioritu a nepodstatnym procesm ju znizi a znizi aj affinity.
V mojom pripade z 8c pridelli kazdemu procesu a apke iba 2c
Takze neviem si predstavit, ako chces zakladnym nastrojom (Taskmanager) naraz zmenit affinity a znzit prirotu beziacim procesom a apkam ?
Tam to mozes robit po jednom a zabijes aspon 10 minut, kym prelistujes vsetky procesy a aplikacie.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:38 | |
|  | A jaký výkon ti to přidá už máš změřeno?
Jaký je uživatelský rozdíl, poznáš to když nekoukáš na čísla z benchmarků?
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:06 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:16 | |
|  | Ty další apky v balíčku deluxe by se asi taky hodily. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:23 | |
|  | Já bych vše označil jedním slovem: BLOATWARE |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:27 | |
|  | Ver mi, staci len ten zaklad, ostatne je zbytocnost. |
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:21 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:33 | |
|  | Skusal som a totalne som sa stratil. 
A to CPUCORES som kupoval za znizenu cenu, tusim 4.99 Eur alebo tak nejako. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:43 | |
|  | Já používám free verzi. U P3D nepatrné zvýšení FPS - cca o 2-3. u MSFS2020 ne. |
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 |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 20:51 | |
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 |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 21:12 | |
|  | Blbla jim instalace? Kde?
Jediné co je, tak instalace přes steam stáhne gigový launcher a toť vše, spoustíš to a spustí se ti FS který si začne stahovat těch 90+GB stejně jako po supuštění ze storu. To samo osobě takový problém není, to co lidi viděli jako problém je že se to počítalo že ta hra běží a člověk může hrát. Tzn dřív než to vůbec stáhnul, tak už uplynuly 2 hodiny které v podmínkách Steamu hráč nesmí překročit aby mohl požádat o refundaci |
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 21:22 | |
|  | U mne to v pátek proběhlo OK. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 25. 8. 2020 / 22:31 | |
|  | Taky jsem neměl sebemenší problém, to mi to spíše přišlo kostrbatější z toho MS Storu. Koupíš na Store ale nepouštíš ze Store ani ze systému, spouštíš přes XBOX klienta |
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 |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 11:07 | |
|  | Trochu som zabrdol do sedej zony a overil som si, ze STEAM verzia FS2020 je klasicka aplikacia a da sa spustit cez CPUCORE 
Tak ked mi skonci xbox pass, idem do STEAM verzie.
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 |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 12:34 | |
|  | Trvat na tom bloatware mi fakt přijde nesyls, i když volba Steam/MS je už jiná věc...
Škoda že se toho chytají jiní a chtějí to kupovat, pokud to zvyšuje prioritu procesu a omezuje affinity jiných procesů...
Doporučuji ti zapnout Game mode, ten snad dokonce bývá zapnutý by default.
Hře zváší prioritu a sníží prioritu ostatních procesů a pokud se nepletu dokáže některé zbytné procesy zcela "zastavit" ve smyslu pouště až po tom co hra neběže.
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 |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 12:53 | |
|  | Hře zváší prioritu a sníží prioritu ostatních procesů a pokud se nepletu dokáže některé zbytné procesy zcela "zastavit" ve smyslu pouště až po tom co hra neběže.
A uz si si to vobec overoval, ci to fakt znizi priority nepotrebnym procesom a aplikaciam ?
Lebo nic take nepozorujem a game mode mam zapnuty.
Navyse CPUCORE nastavuje aj affinity co je este podstatnejsie a hre nechava volne jadra, ktore si zvolis a to game mode nerobi ani omylom.
A nechapem, preco ma tu ides presviedcat o niecom, co si v zivote nepouzil.
Najprv skus a potom mudruj.
A to, ze si to chce kupit niekto iny, je len jeho vec.
Ked to nebude ono, moze to vzdy vratit. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 12:59 | |
|  | Jak říkám, ukaž mi nějaké testy před a po, jaký to má dopad na výkon a jestli to má měřitelný dopad, tak jaký to má skutečný dopad na uživatele. Když někomu hra běží 200FPS nebo 190 FPS, tak o tom neví dokud nezapne nějaký zobrazovač FPS. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 13:04 | |
|  | Mas ich plny youtube, tak hladaj. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | FS2020 - STEAM 26. 8. 2020 / 13:19 | |
|  | Ok, první co jsem našel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Y7qIaVmuo
Ejhle ono to s tím programem dokonce ztratilo výkon sice jestli 117 nebo 115 FPS ani 132 vs 129 není rozdíl který by si bez toho čísla poznal.
Ale proč si snižovat výkon placeným programem. I kdyby to bylo přesně obráceně, že to přidá 1-2% výkonu, tak jsme u toho že ten rozdíl vůbec nepoznáš, pokud to nezměříš
Takže platí to co jsem psal, bloatware kterému se vyvarovat, nedělá nic užitečného co by nedělal systém a naopak, umí i neužitečně snižovat výkon |
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