|  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 09:58 | |
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 |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 10:12 | |
|  | Krásné video, ale to nic nemění na tom, že FSka neumí simulovat mezní stavy, ve kterých se pořádná akrobacie létá. To video nic z toho právě neukazuje. Je to povětšinou jen normální let. |
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 |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 10:28 | |
|  | No jo, ouplně normální let. |
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 |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 10:48 | |
|  | nechcem tu robiť rozbroje ale vieš ty vôbec čo sú to medzné stavy? Veď si to nikdy nezažil. A FSku neber ako školu pre Tvoj profesionálny rast a karieru. Na to sú úplne iné inštitúcie. Fska je pre hráčov hier alebo ako som ja nostalgikov, ktorí spomínajú aké to bolo hore a prirovnávajú simuláciu letu k realite. Nikdy sa ale k nej nedopracujú. Ale aj tak dík že si reagoval. Neber to v zlom. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 10:51 | |
|  | mozno o 100rokov bude fs -ka blizsie ku realite ale ako si napisal fs-ka sa nikdy nevyrovna k realite FSka je dobra iba na lietanie na ivao zvykat si na budiky a frazeo ... potom ti to pomoze k realite Ak budes chciet lietat.... viem co hovorim |
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 |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:35 | |
|  | Tu nevyhovieš nikomu. Ešte keby si tak našiel skupinovú akrobáciu na Migoch 21 alebo na W3 A Sokol, tak by to možno ocenilo viac ľudí. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:37 | |
|  | Migy máme , PC tiež už sa len stretnúť a natočiť to fantastické video v našom podaní. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:43 | |
|  | Tim to neni, video je pekny, ale zrovna ta Z-50 neni ukazkou excelntniho letounu. Utrhnout se to neda, smerovkou se v nozovym letu dostanes az na vertikalu a na pristani by to chtelo mit brzdy jak na vetroni nebo drahu ala Ruzyn
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:55 | |
|  | Tiež som si to myslel pri prvom lete s 50-kou, ale po chvíli som prišiel na to, že nastavením vrtule pred pristátím znížim rýchlosť a nepotrebujem ani celú dĺžku dráhy v Martine. Takže NO PROBLEM. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 12:01 | |
|  | Ale to bys mel delat u kazdyho letadla ktery ma manualne ovladatelnou vrtuli...  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 12:03 | |
|  | To je vcelku jasné, ja len reagujem na to, že 50-ka potrebuje na pristátie dráhu dlhú ako v Ruzyni. Nie je to tak. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 12:46 | |
|  | V simulatoru mozna ne, tam jsou mozne ruzne veci... Ale ve skutecnosti zrovna "STOL perf." neoplyva... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 21:49 | |
|  | No na vetsine AK letist ji staci pulka drahy |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 22:14 | |
|  | jeste jsi tam mel dopsat jenom |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 22:27 | |
|  | Ok. Jenom pulka drahy a mysleno na delku ne na sirku. Uz je to lepsi?  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 21:15 | |
|  | Co myslis tim nastavenim vrtule? Jakpak to provedes? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 22:28 | |
|  | Obavam se ze ji uplne stahnes co? To je ale ponekud... nestandartni postup ze? Nehlede na to ze v reale to funguje opacne. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:55 | |
|  | A propos, (trošku z jiného soudku) zvládá Z526 nožový let? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 23:11 | |
|  | Nezkoušel jsem ale pokud myslíš stav kdy letoun je otočen křídlem dolů, letí přitom po přímce a neklesá, tak to bych moc neviděl. Ikdyž se s nim dělá výkrut na čtvrtky tak v té 3/4 už je tam ta noha celá a nevypadá že by v tom vydržel lítat věčně.
Zkoušel jsem to na Z-50M a nepochodil jsem. Lip je na tom Decathlon. Když jsem se celý překvapený pídil po tom proč tomu tak je, řekl mi instruktor že je to tim bednoidním trupem, kterým je obdařen.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 23:22 | |
|  | Kdyz nad tim tak premýšlím - viděl někdo z vás nožák kterej trval dýl než pár sekund? Mimo modelu? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 23:26 | |
|  | Totiž proč se ptám. Vždycky když se tu objeví odkaz na nějaký akrobat, naásleduje ihned otázka jestli umí nožový let (čímž se myslí stav popsaný pár příspěvků výše). Když se ukáže že neumí, je tento model ihned zavržen. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 23:58 | |
|  | Su-26 , 31 , z casti i Su-29 , nove typy Extra - 330 alebo Edge ... proste premotorovane akro-specialy urcite ano ...
a problem akrobacie v FSke nieje nozovy let ale proste cela aerodynamika a najma ako tu bolo spomenute- hlavne v medznych rychlostiach - cili pri kopanych prvkoch a autorotaciach alebo padoch ktore su prave to umenie pre ktore sa akrobacia triedy advanced a unlimited lieta ... premet a vykrut a ich nekonecne kombinacie spravi ake kolvek lietadlo , na to 50 tku nepotrebujes.
motorovej akrobacii sa najviac priblizuje IL-2 sturmovik , X-plane neviem , neskusal som. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 2. 9. 2009 / 00:17 | |
|  | U akrobacie v simulátorech je těch problémů víc.
1) Orientace. Ať už s TracjIR nebo bez, je z toho prd vidět. Dá se v tom zaletět slušně sestava tak do úrovně intermediate.
2) Autorotace. Simulatory toto pořádně neuměj a asi ani umět nebudou. Ikdyby jo, ve spojení s 1) je to stejně problém.
3) Chybějící odezva v řízení. Zatim nejlíp udělaný FF jsem viděl u Condora. Ve FS je to úplně mimo a plug-in do X-Plane taky příliš nepřesvědčil. Díky tomuto je lítání akrobačky v simulátoru tím těžší, čím je ten simulátor lepší. Simuluje-li např. X-Plane různé efekty způsobované vrtulí, je tu problém. Není to cejtit. A v okamžiku kdy se to projeví vizuálně už je většinou pozdě na opravu. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 2. 9. 2009 / 00:08 | |
|  | podla toho co si pod tym predstavujes... ak ustaleny let bez straty rychlosti a vysky tak to urcite nie , ale fachmani ktory okrem inych akro specialov lietali (na airshows aj 526 tky , teda aspon co som ja videl , to robili tak ze sa do nozoveho nalietavalo na velkej rychlosti a vtedy to na rovny let stacilo , samozrejme ze sa zacinalo s malou nohou ktora sa musela s vytracajucou rychlostou doslapovat a napokon nozovy let prerusit ... ale na 526 tke je to extrem. tento sposob lietania nozoveho letu je viditelny najma na dvojsitcoch Extra-300L alebo Su-29 , Gilles 200 ... ktore taktiez nemaju dostatok vykonu |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 12:33 | |
|  | všetko je to o tom aký súbor.air použil autor pre Z50 a použil ten pre Extru. Stačí si zobrať iný súbor napr. z cessny a premenovať ho na Z-50L a lietadlo bude úplne inak reagovať. A komu aj to nevyhovuje ešte môže korigovať v súbore aircraft.cfg hodnoty Momentś of inertia, poprípade posunúť v reference speed pádové rýchlosti na vyššiu hodnotua v airplane geometry málinko zväčšiť rozpätie wing span. Všetky zmeny doporučujem len o minimálne hodnoty a zároveň upozorňujem zazálohujte si predom súbor air a cfg. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 13:10 | |
|  | no ak ho máš môžeš si požičať tie dva súbory a premenovať ich na Z50ku a lietaš s nimi. Veď to je podla gusta každého čo mu najviac pripomína tan daný typ čo chce lietať. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 22:23 | |
|  | Neberu to ve zlém a doufám, že ani ty Akrobacii jsem naživo nezažil, ale viděl jsem ji dostkrát a vím, že to co maximálně umí FSka se tomu moc nepodobá. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 2. 9. 2009 / 08:40 | |
|  | nerozmýšlal si trochu nad tým ale to platí aj pre ostatných, že chyba je aj vo Vás, viete naozaj zaletieť tu akrobáciu, poznáte prvky, a viete aká súčinnosť je medzi smerovkou a výškovkov v rôznych polohách aké výkony motora a rýchlosti sú potrebné pre začatie daného obratu? Tých čo lietajú aktívne sa to netýka tí vedia ale je tu taká komunita čo nikdy knipel nedržala a v živote nepocítila odstredivé sily v lietaní pri vyberaní vývrtky s viac než tromi otočkami alebo pri premete a to nehovoriac už o obrátenom premete, a čo napr. zátačky 30,60,90 stupňov? Ono si treba aspoň základnú teoriu akrobácie naštudovať a cvičiť to aj v FSke a ono sa to dá. Ale treba to viackrát cvičiť. Ani v reáli to tak nefunguje, že si pilot akrobat polieta s mašinou a vyhlási tonie je dobré lietadlo, lebo som s tým nezaletel napr. výkrut na doby. Musí cvičiť a stráviť hodne hodín za kniplom aby to vyzeralo ako to má byť. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 2. 9. 2009 / 08:54 | |
|  | Svatá pravda, a bohužel, dnes je velmi málo pilotů, kteří akrobacii opravdu létají. Je to tak drahé, že si to může dovolit málokdo. A "levných" akro 142 je zase velmi málo.
Mimochodem, osobně jsem byl dost zklamán z vychvalovaného Sturmovika, přijde mi, že simuluje "věrně" leda tak pády na rychlosti a to tak, že udělat ostřejší zatáčku aniž by následovala vývrtka mi přijde jako problém. Soupeř mezi tím mizí v dálce i s kouřícím strojem. Tuhle hru jsem koupil synovi, abych měl důvod si ji zkusit. Jinak dobrý, jako střílečka.
Condor je opravdu mnohem lepší, nicméně simulaci dnešních motorových akrospeciálů zatím naše domácí počítače zvládnout nemohou. A je též velmi málo lidí, co vědí jak se takový přemotorovaný stroj doopravdy chová.
Nemá zde někdo zkušenost s modelářskými simulátory? Totiž dnešní akrobatické modely na 3D akrobacii umí neskutečné věci, zajímalo by mě, jak tohle simuluje PC. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 2. 9. 2009 / 14:45 | |
|  | Čus,modelářské simulátory to umí a velmi dobře. K ovládání se používá vysílač, který se používá pro řízení modelu,s PC se spojí USB kabelem. Ty simulátory které za něco stojí nejsou levné, kolem 6000Kč, ale je to otázka,takový akrobat se kterým lítá Dan Hrachoovec(naše špička) přijde na cca 250 000Kč,takže trenink na simulátoru dokáže dost šetřit |
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 |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 10:25 | |
|  | ja by som skor povedal ze je to trocha nerealisticke na zlin 50 skor extra dokaze toto robit a nie zlin ale aj tak stale si ma nepresvecil ze fsX dokaze uplne realisticku akrobaciu... |
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 |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:00 | |
|  | Moc pěkné! Do teď jsem lepší skupinovou slétanost ve FSX neviděl. |
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 |  |  | Akrobácia_Z50L v FSX 1. 9. 2009 / 11:06 | |
|  | Tak tohle video je prostě super! |
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