|  |  | ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 07:16 | ander |
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|  | Jo a kdo ji zaplatí???  |
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|  | a neni to jedno ?  |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 10:40 | |
|  | mno ... to sou veci .. ona je tam fakt gratis ..... )) |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 10:47 | Kostax |
|  | Asi sem naspal dnes malo hodin, ale kde ze je neco zadaco ? Ten jejich www jsem prosmejdil celej (krom registrace) a nic tam o cenach nebylo napsane........ |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 10:50 | PitBull |
|  | Ten odkaz funguje, jen je třeba se zaregistrovat. No, teď by to ještě chtělo stáhnout v jednom, jinak to bude pakárna. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 10:51 | PitBull |
|  | Jo, jak moc podrobností má smysl stahovat pro FS? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:01 | |
|  | mno .. imho se to ani nevyplati stahovat.... )) protoze by jsi se z toho zblaznil ... buhvijak to maj generovane, jestli se treba ID negenruji zcela nahodne... ale na strojove stahovani to neni ... je to sice pekne, ale IMHO k nicemu ... Czech VFR ve forme landclassu bude asi fakt mnohem praktictejsi .))) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:03 | PitBull |
|  | No, na celou republiku si netroufám, ale přeci jen jsou kousky, které bych rád měl (Jižní Morava) a který nikdo z Vás dělat nebude. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:14 | |
|  | Mno .. mozna to strojove stahnout pujde ) uz si s tim tady hraju
a proc by nedelal? jestli se chystaj kluci delat celou CR .... tak tam je i jizni morava |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:20 | PitBull |
|  | Ale když já jsem zapřísáhlej příznivec ortofotomapy. I když ten landclass nevypadal špatně.
Můžeš mi hodit do mailu, pokud jsi přišel na nějaký strojový stahování? Já jsem včera zjistil, že se můj ISP nějak popletl a místo 256 kbps linku mám doma 2.1 Mbps )))) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:22 | |
|  | Jeste ne )) treba to nakonec ani nepujde.. ale zpusob jakym to vypocitava souradnice tam uz nakopnuty je  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:26 | PitBull |
|  | No, mám trošku obavu, aby ta registrace nebyla právě kvůli omezení přenosu dat. Po nějaké době se to začalo chovat trochu divně - mapy se nenačítaly a tak.
Ale třeba to byla chyba někde po cestě. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:27 | PitBull |
|  | Ono to tam asi někde bude napsaný, ale mapa je poměrně hodně aktuální, což je paráda. |
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|  | No .. ma cca dva roky .. ne vic .) |
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|  | Maximálně jeden rok, protože máme na domě novou nástavbu od letošního jara a už tam je vidět. Ale protože na nuda pláži na Brněnském príglu se válí dost lidí, tak je z rozmezí cca květen - září, tj. pravděpodobně okolo půl roku )) |
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|  | Nejspis zalezi na oblasti ) Praha, resp. ten kus kde bydlim ja, je cca 2,5 roku  |
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|  | Zveřejněním téhle ortofotomapy se nám otvírají obrovské možnosti, na druhou stranu technické možnosti tvůrců, přenosových kapacit i samotná výpočetní síla našich strojů momentálně neumožňuje to naplno využít. Současně také byly uvolněny první vlaštovky MS SDK a tak je pravděpodobné, že další ( hlavně krajinkářské ) kusy budou následovat.
Proto bych měl následující návrh a řešení:
a) sečkejme ještě moment na SDK kolem vektorové scenerie
b) pojďme ČR zpracovat vektorově v nějakých vrstvách
c) pojďme zajímavé části ČR ( města, okolí letišť, scenérií ) udělat pomocí VPT ortofoto z těchto zdrojů ve vrstvách vyšších než b)
Další připomínky a návrhy vítány.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 12:28 | PitBull |
|  | Tak co, PiErcE, máš něco? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 12:44 | Láďa |
|  | Jde z toho nějak vymazat ta souřadnicová síť? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: ortomapa po x-té - ukázka 17. 12. 2003 / 14:12 | PitBull |
|  | Já nevím jak to, ale když jsem dal měřítko na 540 m (ta stupnice co je dole), tak tam žádná souřadnicová síť nebyla. Možná to jde přesně po ní, tak je vždycky na kraji.
A máme tady první ukázku - oblast která zajímá mě - Hustopeče - Velké Pavlovice (okr. Břeclav) a okolí.
http://www.m-soft.cz/~webrex/weby/filip/velpavlcomp.jpg
Doporučuju spíš stáhnout a prohlížet lokálně, má to skoro 2MB. Ale byla to děsná hokna.
Dotazy:
1) Stačí to v takovým rozlišení pro FS9? (Jasně, čím větší tím lepší, ale půjde i tady toto?)
2) Jak velký čtverce je ideální dělat pro FS9? (ideálně v km) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - ukázka 17. 12. 2003 / 16:30 | Láďa |
|  | No mě se měřítko 540m vůbec nepovedlo. Na mapě, která se otevře jako dafaultní, se mi to povedlo přiblížit na 450m a pak se skutečně souřadnicová síť při posuvu nezobrazovala, ale pak jsem se kouknul na západ od Prahy a ejhle na takové měřítko jsem se vůbec nedostal. Tam mám buď 420m nebo 870m. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - ukázka 17. 12. 2003 / 17:31 | PitBull |
|  | Když dám vyhledat vesnici (nezkoušel jsem na velká města) tak mě to hodí na to město přímo s 540m |
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|  | Rozlišení bohatě stačí - stačilo by i 5m/pix
S velikostma čtverců je problém, protože souřadnicová sít FSky používá jiné promítání. Idéální ale je alespoň rámcové dodržovat členění LOD - třeba čtverce o velikosti LOD8.
BTW to že to dali na web ještě neznamená že je to dále volně distribuovatelné... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - co je potreba pro FS 17. 12. 2003 / 17:33 | PitBull |
|  | No, já doufám, že vzhledem k tomu, že to nechceme pro výdělečné účely (teda alespoň já ne) a chci to vyloženě pro soukromé použití, tak si s tím můžu dělat co chci, ne?
Neviděl jsem (ale je pravda že ani nehledal) nějakou zmínku o možnostech nakládání s tímto materiálem. |
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|  | Nejde o to, že by tam něco napsali, ale o to co říká autorský zákon.
Jde o dílo fotografické podle par. 2 odst 1. Tedy do autorskych prav nezasahujes pouze pokud si utvoris kopii podle par. 30 odst 1 - pro osobni potrebu. Jakoukoliv jinou formu sireni uz s nimi musis resit.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - co je potreba pro FS 17. 12. 2003 / 17:52 | PitBull |
|  | Hmm, to asi jo, pokud se nechci pouštět do spekulací.
Tak to nejdřív stáhneme, a pak se jich zeptáme, jestli to tak můžeme používat. A pokud ne, tak si to holt budeme muset posílat mailem, aby to nebylo vystavený veřejně. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - ukázka 17. 12. 2003 / 18:02 | Loobo |
|  | Ahoj, ta mapa je fakt super! Chtěl jsem se zeptat jek si dostal tak velkou oblast v takovém rozlišení? Stahoval jsi menší obrázky a pak je v něčem (Photoshopu?) pospojoval? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té - ukázka 17. 12. 2003 / 18:06 | PitBull |
|  | Tak tak, tvrdá práce
Spojoval jsem to ručně. |
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|  | ted nemuzu ) pmusim taky pracovat ... ) |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 11:46 | |
|  | Fakt gratis? To jsem nenašel. Asi jsem špatně hledal. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 12:03 | |
|  | no .. opravdu spatne .)) v tom predchozim prispevku je defakto primy link na tu mapu .) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 18:53 | Kostax |
|  | Takze jelikoz je mapa super, taxem se ujal zjistovani.
Ta firma je dle jejich spolupracujici firmy nejdrazsi v ceske republice co se techto veci tyce, a jeste slova znameho: Vedi jak vydelat penize, a ze dlouhodobe s tou firmou probira pouziti pro "nas", takze neblbnete at to dopadne, hlavne aby se nenastvali a pak by nam nic nedali. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 17. 12. 2003 / 23:32 | |
|  | No aby to taky nedopadlo tak, že nám pošlou účet za stažené mapy, sám jsem si stáhnul kompletní mapu Třebíče, kterou jsem marně sháněl už pěkně dlouho, jenom nevím, jestli je to použitelné pro ortofoto které již plánuji, stahoval jsem základní rozlišení co mi nabídlo (tuším 840m). |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ortomapa po x-té 18. 12. 2003 / 00:09 | PitBull |
|  | Za to že si něco stáhneš Ti těžko může někdo něco nafakturovat. Pravdou je to, co říkal tuším že PiErcE, že bychom měli být opatrní s dalším šířením.
Pokud jde o rozlišení 840, záleží jak na co - ortofoto Prahy a Brna jsou dělány odhaduji v tomto měřítku na 80 - 120.
Já jsem zkoušel 540 a je to o ničem. Třeba celá republika by tak určitě stačila, ale když to někde znáš, tak chce přeci jen mnohem větší podrobnosti. I na těch 540 nejsou vidět jednotlivé domy ani menší ulice. Už je to spíš jako satelitní mapa. |
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