|  |  | TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 11:00 | |
|  | Chalani prosím Vás má niekto skúsenosti s fungovaním TeamSpeaku vo FSX a pod operačným systémom Vista x64 ? Mám tam totiž jeden problém s ktorým si neviem rady a už som zúfalí. Keď spustím TeamSpeak samostatne pod Vista x64 tak ide super a nemám s tým najmenší problém. Keď sa však spustí automaticky z FSX (po pripojení do IVAO cez IVAP 1.9.4) tak namiesto môjho hlasu ide riadiacemu vonku len bordel!(?) Je to absolútne nečitateľné a ako keby za mojou hlavou hučal vrtuľník(?) Neviete mi poradiť kde by mohol byť pudl zakopaný(?) Lietam teraz "Level-D 767 FsX" (legálne) a kôli tomuto problému komunikujem s ATC len textom, čo je dosť nepohodlné a o nejakých väčších Eventoch ani nehovorím.
Ešte uvediem, že ako antivirák používam "AVG v7.5 Pro" a moja celá zostava je v podpise.
Vopred vám vďaka za akýkoľvek tip !
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 |  |  | Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 11:14 | |
|  | A co takhle spustit TS pred FS a pak ho uz nespoustet pres FS? Ja to takhle delam furt aby mi pak uz TS neshodil FSku do listy... |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 11:24 | |
|  | Sakra toto ma nenapadlo (!) No keď prídem večer domov z práce, tak to tak vyskúšam. Nešlo mi do hlavy, že asi pred 2 týždňami som letel s MD-82 (Super-80, Flight1) na tej istej chartrovej linke a omylom som sa nad Maďarskom neozval textom, ale hlasom a chlap mi odpovedal naspäť, takže ma rozumel. Tak som mal možno vtedy TS pustený už skôr než FSX, neviem ale od vtedy mi to nešlo ani za Boha. Včera som robil "TeamSpeak-bordel" v Bulharsku a nakoniec som musel odletieť cez TEXT.
Vďaka - večer vyskúšam ! |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 11:31 | |
|  | NO ja nelietam vo fuul screene ale za to my to ide bez problemov. Sice to znamena o nieco nizsie FPS |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 13:57 | |
|  | Fullscreen na tom nelietam, lebo tam vždy klesne FPS na hodnotu 15 a to bezohľadu na pôvodnú hodnotu FPS (!) To znamená, či tam vypnem všetky efekty, alebo ich dám na plno, tak vždy to mám na 15. Je tam nejaký BUG o ktorom som už čítal pár i-net diskusií a čaká sa asi na SP1 od Microsoftu pre Vista. Inak ten "Level-D 767 FsX" ide celkom slušne a stiahlo mi to FPS asi len o 10 a to aj napriek tomu, že je tam plne funkčné FMC, čo sa o iných addonoch nedalo povedať. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 14:19 | |
|  | INak pri instalacii IVAPu sa da urcit ci budes hrat vo fuul screene a ci v okne. Ja som dal v okne a zda sa ze to ide v pohode. TS ide bez problemov. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 14:24 | |
|  | A "TeamSpeak" púšťaš ešte pred spustením FSX, alebo sa spustí automaticky po prihlásení cez IVAP v1.9.4 (?) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 14:38 | |
|  | Spusti sa automaticky pri spusteny IVAPu v 1.9.4 |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 15:46 | |
|  | Jo, pane kolego, koukám, že jsme na tom naprosto stejně..
FSX, Vista64, LDS..
Nestačil jsem se divit, ale když jsem letěl poslední let long haul tour z Nairobi do Frankfurtu, tak jsem si dal nad Saharou pohled zvenku. Měl jsem kolem 110-140FPS (FPS mám na Unlimited a FS nataveno tak, jako v tomto případě:
http://www.flightsim.cz/forum_prispevek.php?id=167144&lan=0&gr=0 )
Při pohledu zevnitř, tedy z 2D kokpitu jsem z toho nad stejnou Saharou nedostal víc jak 35FPS..
je to neuvěřitelný, ale je to tak.. Pevně věřím, že LDS o tom ví a něco s tím udělá, bo úbytek o 200-300% je fakt moc..
A to že mám s Markym de facto stejnou mašinu.. (rozuměj - PC) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 16:17 | |
|  | No ono ten úbytok FPS pri pripojení na IVAO vo fullscreene (FSX+Vista+IVAP) je vždy a na akomkoľvek type lietadla, či na default od Microsoftu, alebo na akýchkoľvek addonoch. Dokonca pri fullscreene (FS9+Vista+IVAP) dochádza aj k výpadku antialiasingu, takže aj starý-dobrý FS9 občas prášim len v okne (hi) Čítal som diskusiu priamo s tvorcom IVAP-u a po niekoľkých sťažnostiach sa na to pozeral, ale nezistil nejaký problém s IVAP-om a tak čakajú na SP1 do Visty.
Vyskúšam večer to nastavenie FSX, ktoré si dal v tom linku, lebo ma zaujalo to Tvoje FPS pri pohľade z vonku. Mne sa bežne pohybuje okolo 78-85 a keď sedím v B767 (Level-D) v 2D kokpite tak okolo 38-45. Ono to síce zatiaľ stačí, ale ak sa časom pridajú nejaké zaujímavé scenérky a nové lietadlá, tak to môže už byť "o hubu". Niektoré effekty zožerú strašne veľa FPS, napr. ten "Light Blooming" vezme až 10-12FPS a aj prílišné "Watter Effects" tiež pekne zaťažia systém. Škoda, že nemám registrovanú verziu FSUIPC tam by sa ešte dala viacej stiahnuť dohľadnosť, lebo teraz je to ešte stále dosť nereálne (60nm) a zbytočne ďaleko musí vykresľovať textúry. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 2. 10. 2007 / 18:28 | |
|  | Třeba v tom ambéru mají takové dohlednosti běžně ?-)) http://gliding.cz/forum/files/dscf0139.jpg Taky ty kruhová pole si chlapcovja z mrkvosoftu asi nevymysleli .-))) Dokonce i z Krnova tento rok byly asi 4x vidět tatry .-) což je cca něco přez 200km.. Tak nezoufej, aspoň to máš AsRealAs.. aspoň teda 4x do roka .-)))) |
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 |  |  | Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 12:08 | |
|  | tak mne to po včerajšom "teste" online všetko šlape O.K. VISTA(32) FSX, teamspeak "volany" Ivap-om. Jediny rozdiel možno je, že som si stiahol FSX verziu Ivapu s TS ale kedže som TS nikde nevidel, stiahol som aktuálnu verziu Teamspeaku z ich stranky a nainštalil znovu. |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 12:09 | |
|  | On problém bych řekl tkví právě v tom, že ty máš Vista 32 a my Vista 64.. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 12:19 | |
|  | tiež to tak vidím .. po zvaženi pre a proti som nakoniec isiel do 32.
Ale ked si vezmes samotnu technologiu 64bit versus 32, instrukčna sada je temer rovnaka (rozdiel v adresovani niektorých "dlhých" inštrukcií) ked ti tam bezi 32 bit aplikacia, - na jeden takt ide 64bit a ked mas 32bit aplikaciu tak proste ide 32 bit "prázdnych". (ći už data alebo inštrukcie pre procesor) takže teoreticky pri spravnych DRIVEROCH by to malo byt o.k. Problem može byt v prípadnom vyvojovom prostredí a "komplilátore" aplikacie, kodeky, niečo medzi nebou a zemou .. at´d .. )) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 15:16 | |
|  | to ale neni tim, ze by byla jina instrukcni sada. 99,9% problemu na 64ti bitovych systemech je v techto dvou vecich:
- ovladace - musi byt 64ti bitove .. ne vsichni to delaji, a casto to jsou kdo vi jake beta
- aplikace (32bitova) je napsana prasacky a nefunguje. jde o to, ze i kdyz jsou to porad windows, tak ve skutecnosti se jedna prakticky o dva systemy spojene do jednoho. 32 bitove aplikace pouzivaji oddelene registry, maji vlastni adresar program files, common files, windows/system apod. a pokud byl programator prase, tak to nefunguje, protoze aplikace ocekava neco nekde jinde a nepouziva standardni cesty. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 12:59 | |
|  | Matěji, ruku na srdce, k čemu že Ti jsou ty potvory 64-bitový ??? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 15:04 | |
|  | Dávám ruku na srdce - nemám ani páru - sundavám ruku ze srdce..
Ale jinak bych řekl, že třeba v budoucnu, někdy, až tenhle komp bude stará šunka, to bude v pohodě.. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 15:05 | |
|  | Vyuzitie 4GB RAM a viac...napr... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 16:03 | |
|  | A která 32-bit aplikace to využije? Nebo máš snad doma nějakou 64-bit? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 16:21 | |
|  | Napriklad ja mam tie 64 bit aje to radost so 4G ram. FSX spapa aj cez 1G ram. Potom Vista tak do 1G . A potom ak nieco robim nejaky tak pusteny Photosop gmax a podobne srandicky, ze po 3G ram sa len zaprasi. A to by uz 32Bit system nezvladol. Nemusim nic otvarat a zatvarat. Ked si predstavim ako to bezalo na mojom starom P4 1,7GHz, 512ram, tak je to velka zmena. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 16:31 | |
|  | 32-bit dokáže mapovat 4GB RAM !!! |
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|  | Tohle rekni 98mickam  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 16:37 | |
|  | Ja mam 4,5G ked pocitam aj Grafiku. Aj ked pusti ale radsej som si dal 64bit. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 18:53 | |
|  | to ano. ale musis mit nejakou pamet rezervovanou pro kernel a pod.
u windows je to tak, ze 2giga (virtualni) pameti je rezervovano pro kernel (jadro systemu) a 2gb pro aplikace.
xp a pozdejsi systemy dovedou pomoci prepinace 3GB toto prerozdelit tak, ze kernel ma 1b a zbytek (3gb) zustane aplikacim. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 16:30 | |
|  | Uz som to tu pisal davnejsie Tragedovy, ale zopakujem.
Mam Photoshop CS3 a v 32bit OS mi dokaze vyuzit len 1.7GB RAM.
V 64bit OS mi CS3 dokaze vyuzit 3.2GB RAM
Tak mi vysvetli, preco teda Photoshop CS3, ktory je sam o sebe 32bit aplikacia sa sprava rozdielne v tych OS ???
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|  | Si myslim, ze je rozdil, jestli je program, ktery je 64-bitovy a program, ktery jen vyuzije velkou RAM a pomoci 64bit OS a zmeny configu si mu tu vetsi RAM priradil. Kdyby sla takto RAM zpristupnit na 32-bit OS, tak ti to pojede stejne. |
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|  | No, a presne to chcem, aby to MaPa pochopil a odpovedal som mu na otazku s rukov na srdci, naco je mi 64bit OS
Cize v 64bit OS viem vyuzit 4GB RAM a viac 
Tot vse |
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|  | Clanok ponekud neaktualny...
S jedinym minusovym bodom mozem suhlasit a to je samotna nevyladenost...preto kazdy caka na SP1, ale to bude az buduci rok na jar  |
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|  | S tymy ovladacmy je to uz dnes hluspost kazdy novsi hadver uz ma ja ovladace na 64 vistu. Co som nedokazal rozbehat na viste je webka. Lebo vyrobca dodal nejaky sumkove instalacky ktore ani nejdu spustit.  |
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|  | No tak ten jeden + ze dvou celkovych je opravdu mimoradnej 
" v hospodě i zde ve fóru můžete být za frajera "
To je asi mysleno i zde na foru, nebo jenom tam na foru, nebo vseobecne ve vsech forech a hospodach v CR a SK ? U brendona teda ta hospoda pada, safra jemu se ta investice asi opravdu nevyplatila 
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TeamSpeak vs. FsX + Vista x64 (?) 3. 10. 2007 / 18:54 | |
|  | kdyz putis vic 32 bitovych aplikaci, tak se to bude lepe chovat. |
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