|  |  | LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 16:58 | |
|  | Podle routfinderu bych měl letět někudy přes okf, pak přes rakousko ( okf - lanux - sto -mareg - ledri - ablom. Já ale lítám přez VOZ na BNO, pak dál na bod BERVA. Moh bych to tudy vzít i v normálu, nebo sou tam nějaký omezení, kvůli kterejm se musí lítat přes Rakousko? |
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 |  |  | Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 17:05 | |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 17:10 | |
|  | No ono to je logicke Proc litat pres tri staty, kdyz muzu rovnou, ne? Nehlede na vyssi preletove popletky... |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 17:30 | |
|  | jenom si dovolim upresnit, eu route neni planovac. ... ale pouze databaze rucne zadanych letovych planu ... |
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 |  |  | Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 17:26 | |
|  | a kdo rika, ze zrovna routefinder je natolik "spravny" ze z toho dedukujes, ze jinudy je to spatne? nidke neni receno kudy musis letet, muzes letet jak chces, trea pres nemecko, polsko, belorusko, rusko, madarsko ...
ten problem na ktery narazis je v tom, ze routefinder (a vubec vsechny planovace co se kdy svetem fsky motaly) planuji naprosto trivialne - bero ujen a jen nejkratsi cestu. v realu se ale lita podle "nejvyhodnejsi" cesty a zdaleka ne vzdy se "nejkratsi" rovna "nejvyhodnejsi" (umyslne nerikam nejlevnejsi) .. |
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 |  |  | Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 21:50 | |
|  | Ja osobne pouzivam EURoute. Jeho vyhoda (aspon pre mna) spociva v tom, ze je mozne nainstalovat si modul priamo do FS-ky, co je pre planovanie trasy celkom pohodlne. A aby som odpovedal na tvoju otazku, EURoute hovori, ze z LKPR do LZIB mas ist po trase - VOZ W32 BODAL M748 BERVA. Takze ziadne Rakusko... |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 22:06 | |
|  | "Máš ísť", bych nahradil - "mohl bys".. V případě letu v lower airspace (do FL245), je tebou zmiňovaná trať víc než záhodna..
V upper airspace bych radši volil VOZ-UL993-Odnem-UM748-Berva. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 22:28 | |
|  | Netusim, co v slovencine znamena slovo "zahodna", ale o upper airspace by som vzhladom na vzdialenost ani neuvazoval... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 22:31 | |
|  | FL250 mi nepřijde jako blbá hladina pro tenhle let třeba s B738.. nehledě na fakt, že je to po UL993 o něco kratší.. Pokud si dotyčnej nenaloží mašinu až po špunty (i tací se tu najdou), tak FL250 je celkem v pohodě..
"záhodna" = vyskloňované slovo "záhodno".. kapišto, more..? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 22:44 | |
|  | Podla EURoute (nevravim, ze je to modla, ale ma nieco do seba...) tuto trasu lietaju ATR-ka a B-735 a vsetky do FL240. Ja so 738 letim vacsinou FL210.
P.S.: Neviem, ci som to pochopil spravne, ale podla mna:
kapišto = je ti to jasný?
more = čéče...
záhodna (záhodno) = může bejt...  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 23:02 | |
|  | ad PS, ano pochopil si správně..
Podle mě jediný omezení je aktivace prostorů a omezení výškové kvůli ATC, kde na této trati (LKPR-LZIB) je max. povolená FL280. Je to kvůli tomu, aby letadla neprolétala prostorem odpovědnosti Middle sectoru, aby se tento nepřetěžoval zbytečným provozem.
Takže nevidim důvod, proč třeba s B738 neletět tam ve FL270 a zpět ve FL280.
Někde jsem tušim viděl graf, že nejekonomičtějí provedený let spočívá v tom, že v cestovní FL letadlo letí pokud možno co nejkratší dobu.
Osobně tuhle trasu lítám ve FL260 resp. FL250. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LKPR-LZIB kudy? 2. 6. 2007 / 23:22 | |
|  | Tak to s tou cestovnou hladinou sa mi moc nezda. Nie som sice ziadny odbornik, ale podla mna je najekonomickejsie (strasne slovo ) vyletiet co najskor do cestovnej hladiny a drzat sa v nej co najdlhsie. Myslim, ze cestovna hladina ma byt prave co najekonomickejsia (znova to strasne slovo... ). Ale ako vravim, nie som ziadny odbornik... |
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|  | Já taky nejsem žádnej odborník, leč zrovna u Boeinga se mi nezdá, že by bylo nejekonomičtější letět v cestovní hladině třeba 210.. Když jsem lítával s PMDG, FL250 jsem měl většinou nastoupanou cca 10-15 za Vožicí, čili jsem letěl v hladině cca 10-13minut..
Jak jsem psal, eurocontrol vydal nějakou tabulku, kde bylo napsáno, že na kratší tratě je nejekonomičtější provést let tak, jak jsem to popsal v předchozím článku.
Snad třeba AJS, nebo Míra Dušínuj by se k tomu vyjádřili fundovanějc. |
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