|  |  | Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 14:52 | |
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 |  |  | Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 15:01 | |
|  | samozrejme, ze bez mezipristani (proc taky?) .. a leti to 12 a pul hodiny |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 15:19 | |
|  | No to teda musi byt potom posadka pekne unavena...... |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 15:20 | |
|  | No .. ona to taky se vsi pravdepodobnosti neleti jedna posadka... ale dve posadky ktere se vystridaji  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 16:01 | |
|  | Jestli je to 12,5 hodiny, tak to nemusí být nutně pravda.. Záleží na tom, jak si vyjednali v kolketivní smlouvě denní normu. Pokud jí mají 14 hodin, tak letí posádka jedna, bych si tipnul.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 16:25 | |
|  | sakra, ti piloti maji podminky jak za prumyslovy revoluce! |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 16:51 | |
|  | No musi to bejt strasna zatez na orgaismus....Je to pres pul koule. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:08 | |
|  | organismus si zvykne docela rychle, proste spis kdyz muzes, ne kdyz chces, nebo kdyz je svetlo. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:13 | |
|  | Drive jednou takhle jeden pilot hodne lital a nekonec mel total vycerpani organismu . |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:34 | |
|  | to je mozny dostat? myslim ze kdyby byl 12 hodin vzhuru v jednom casovym pasmu, tak by se nic nestalo, ne? a kdyz preleti treba sest pasem, ale porad je to stejnejch 12 hodin, tak uz je to problem? to je nejaka blbost... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:38 | |
|  | ale prdlajz.. totalni vycerpni organismu muze nastat i kdyz spis pravidelne osm hodin denne... souvisi to ale s vypetim v praci, stresem apodobnyma silenostma... staci by jsi makal na 200% treba 20 hodin denne a jenom 4, 5 hodin spal ... a skoncis stejne...
rika se, ze rychle procestovani vice pasem naraz muze pusobit na organismus negativne.. nekdy i dost hodne, protoze se ti rozhodi biologicky hodiny .. ale nemuzu soudit .. zatim nejdal kde sem byl se cas posouval o 4 hodiny... a to zadny nasledky nezanechalo ... snad budu moct posoudit pristi rok na jare, jestli mi vyjde dovolena ve vladivostoku  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 18:00 | |
|  | jed vlakem, to ti rozohodne nejakej casovej skok nehrozi 
jinak, ja mel nejvetsi skok nejakych tech 6 hodin (do Montrealu) a nejak zvlast se to neprojevilo... ale bude to asi tim, ze jsem priletel kolem druhy odpoledne, uplne vyspinkanej z jumbika to si pilot dovolit nemuze... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 13:50 | |
|  | No .. ja tam jedu vlakem  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 18:14 | |
|  | Také patrně záleží na osobních dispozicích každého jednotlivce. Například mě let do Kentucky ani po měsící zpět nevadil, kdežto synovec je vždycky po takové cestě 14 dní "out" . |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 18:58 | |
|  | jojo, říká se tomu "jet lag" a když pracuje člověk v exponovaný pozici, nemá se to podceňovat. Ale jednotlivci mohou přivyknout... Jeden můj známý, už je to vážený pan profesor, byl před pár roky pozván na panamerický kongres umělé výživy a intenzivní mediciny (6.000 doktorů v jedné hromadě, 5 dní přednášek v 6 mamutích kongresových sálech...). Jako VIP tam měl přednášet 3 klíčové přednášky. Letěl na náklady pořadatele do Manaosu, od nás pochopitelně přes Severní Ameriku, s jedním přesedáním 17 hodin v kuse. Na letišti jej čekala osobní asistentka a nabídla mu, že jako každý VIP z Evropy má připravený hotel, aby se mhl prospat a přivyknout posunu v čase. Padla do mdlob, když se na ni usmál a řekl, že pořád slouží jako doktor na interně, kde je běžné, že jdeš do práce ráno v 7, celou noc pracuješ a druhý den jakoby se nechumelilo jdeš domů ve 4 odpoledne. Takže si připadá jen jako po službě na interně a žádnou aklimatizaci nepotřebuje. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 03:17 | |
|  | Neboj, to že může nějaký let trvat takhle dlouho je bohatě kompenzováno adekvátním časem odpočinku, volnými dny, dlouhou dovolenou, apod.
Krom toho mimo USA si můžeš dát klidně v průběhu letu šlofíka i ve dvoučlenné posádce (psst, neříkat kaštanům ;o) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 02:18 | |
|  | Neni to jen o kolektivni smlouve. Jsou na to dost prisny predpisy. Pocitaji se hodiny letu (pocita se to snad az od spousteni pod shutdown). Muze maximalne asi 13h z 24 , k tomu minimlane 8 hodin odpocinku a tak. K tomu je maximalni tydenni, mesicni (100 h) a rocni (900 h) limit. Z hlavy si to presne nepamatuju, ale plus minus to sedi. Urcite to budou litat 2 posadky... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 02:24 | |
|  | Určitě to lítat dvě posádky nemusí.. 12.5 hodiny ještě není tolik.. Znovu říkám, že se to všechno odvíjí od toho, jak mají stanoveny denní normy.. Ohledně jednoho letu, nemá příliš význam počítat měsíční počet hodin za předpokladu, že není konec měsíce a hrozilo by "přetažení" nad limit. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 03:14 | |
|  | Může se to lišit aerolinka od aerolinky, takže mně nekamenujte, pokud to je někde jinak, čísla jsou podle jedné nejmenované společnosti 
1.) Maximum Flight Duty Period je 14 hodin (v tom musí být i předletový čas až 90 minut podle typu letu a posádky, apod.). Je možné ho ale dosáhnout pouze pokud je pilot aklimatizovaný, je to "jeden sektor" a start je mezi 8-13 local time (např. pokud je mezi 22-6 tak je maximum jen 11)
2.) Lety nad 7 hodin se počítají jako multisector lety, nad 11 hodin je to jako 4 sektory.
3.) Pro 4 sektory je pak max. FDP 11 a 3/4 hodiny.
V těchto limitech je možné letět longhaul jako dvoučlenná posádka. Existuje pak spousta dalších limitů podle času startu, počtu "ranních", "nočních", zpoždění, doby odpočinku, apod., takže pokud není v cílové destinaci nachystaná druhá posádka, nebo tam nezůstává letadlo, tak letí druhá, která se pak s tím vrátí domů, zatímco první pěkně spinká v cílové destinaci.
Krom toho pak platí další omezení jako např. max. 55(60)h v 7 následujících dnech, 95h ve 14 dnech, 190h v 28 dnech a 900h za rok, atd. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 20:53 | |
|  | Já jsem viděl v jednom dokumentu o dálkovém lítání, že na takových trasách letí myslím 3 piloti a po dobu letu se postupně střídají. V A340 jsou pro piloty za cocpitem takové malinké lůžka, kde spí Docela mazec jak to ukazovali, vypadalo to tam jak z nějakého filmu o ponorce(záběry z místa, kde spí posádka)  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 09:14 | |
|  | Ty lužka sou ve specialnich konteinerech pod palubou ... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 09:42 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | OT Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 09:51 | |
|  | No tam kdyz si vezmes letusku, tak musis nektery polohy vynechat  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 10:23 | |
|  | Takový luxus! 8-0  |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 15:20 | |
|  | Myslim, ze maji urcite pravidelne prestavky a navic, na extra dlouhych letech sem uz tusim zaslechl, ze leti 2 posadky, ktere se ve vzduchu meni. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:29 | |
|  | Leti vetsinou 1,5 posadky z toho dva kapitan a tusim, ze minimalne jeden musi mit i certifikaci na prave sedadlo...Ale urcite mne doplni znalci primo z oboru  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 11. 11. 2006 / 02:23 | |
|  | Ono lze mit certifikaci na kapču a ne na FFO ? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 17:45 | |
|  | Ano. Vyjdou na vzduch a tam se vymění |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 20:20 | |
|  | On je to nápor i pro cestující. Letěl jsem EDDF-KSFO a KSFO-EDDM a sedět 13 hodin na zadku není žádná příjemnost. Dvě posádky jsem neregistroval. Do kabiny by se obě nevešly a jinde jsem si nikoho, kdo vypadal jako pilot, nevšimnul. Spíš bych věřil nějakým časovým limitům při střídání flying pilot a non flying pilot. Navíc si myslím, že 95% letové doby letí v modu VNAV a LNAV. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curych ----- L.A. 10. 11. 2006 / 20:26 | |
|  | Určitě by se do kabiny vešly obě..Čím si letěl, A340/747/777..? |
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