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| | OHHH UFFF to ako co bolo???? Pilot kamikadze???  |
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|  | | | Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:10 | |
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 |  | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:13 | |
| | Je tam ale cudlik download  |
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| | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:17 | |
| | | Jo aha ) , tak se omlouvám. Mimochodem, to nevypadá na pilotovaný let ale... |
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| | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 21. 4. 2006 / 00:39 | |
| | | taky sem si rikal ze ten hlas za kamerou je nejaky klidny |
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| | | | Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:17 | |
| | | len skoda ze to je pocitacova animacia... |
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| | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:19 | |
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| | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:21 | |
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| | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:24 | |
| | | Real to neni, je to nejakej hodne peknej sim nebo hodne pekna animace. |
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| | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:25 | |
| | je to pocitacova animacia.
1.) model - Caribou vyzera kapanek inac
2.) detaily na modeli - napriklad predny podvozok, motory, kabina, real vyzera inac
3.) odlesk a material - je jasne ze to je pocitacovy model - odlesk je na realnom stroji iny...
staci tolko? |
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| | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 18:50 | |
| | | Fuuu - ešte že je to animácia... |
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| | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 19:29 | |
| | | me prisel divny ten moment tesne po dopadu letadla.. posun kameru k zemi ... po chvili nahoru .. a najednou pzoar.... neco se mi na tom nezdalo .) |
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| | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff :( 20. 4. 2006 / 19:55 | |
| | | Přesně tak, model se rozfláká, v tom momentě rychlého posunutí kamery je střih a mezitím tam "něco" vzplane, tak bych to viděl já... |
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| | | | | | | Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 19:57 | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 19:58 | |
| | nebo mohl mit zavadu na vejskovce a kapku pretrimovano |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:17 | |
| | | to me napadlo jako prvni k dyz jsem to videl .. ze mel pretrimovano ... ale ze by az tak .. a vypadalo to ze stoupa "na etapy" ... jako by pak jeste vic pritahl .... |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:25 | |
| | | No a proto si myslim, ze mel nazajistenou sedacku, jak se rika. Kdyz tam sedis, zatahnes za to, sedacka jede vzad a ty se drzis beranu. |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:05 | |
| | | Jo, treba se to stalo, ale ten odkaz v 1. prispevku bych videl na animaci. |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:10 | |
| | | rucim Ti za to ze to video je animacia, ak chces viem Ti to aj dokazat... |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:30 | |
| | Nesouhlasim.... ten strih na konci neni divny... proste se kameraman chvilku valel po zemi a zmatene pobihal kolem aby se mu nic nestalo - coz s bezici kamerou nebyva na pokoukani nic moc zajimaveho, tak to vystrihli.
Videl jsem hodne dobrych animaci, ale tady by si nekdo musel dat opravdu spoustu prace s tim, aby do toho dostal vsecky ty specifika pocasi, nasvetleni, rucniho drzeni a nakonec i nekvality...
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:46 | |
| | | ako netvrdim ze sa to nestalo, ale to video je falzifikat, mne sa nezda napriklad si pozri nasavaci otvor pod vrtulou, na motorovom kryte, nezda sa Ti ten prechod trocha divny? alebo ten odlesk materialu...? realne lietadlo je nitovane z plechov, ze ano? v tomto sa asi zhodneme, cize tam kde su nity, tak tam je plech akoby preliatceny cize je iny odlesk, je pravda ze moc slnko nesvieti ale aj tak, ten povrch je trocha nerealny... a dodat sum, respektive stratu kvality sa da napriklad cez inferno, combustion, pripadne aj v inych softoch. Takze zasa nevidim v tom nejaky problem... |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:50 | |
| | | Mam jenom mozne vysvetleni pro nasavaci otvor - mel jine motory. |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:53 | |
| | jo, ale som si presiel viacej fotiek lietadiel s PT-6 motormi a az takto ostre, alebo divne to nevyzeralo...
a aj ten predok je nejaky divny, prave cumim do vykresov Caribou a nejak mi ten cumak nesedi.... |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( - alebo dalsi zo sposobov ako prist o Caribou 20. 4. 2006 / 22:04 | |
| | | Dufam ze ma nik "nepotentuje" za porusenie copyrightu.... |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 21. 4. 2006 / 13:47 | |
| | | Milý kolego. Nevím, na jaké video jses koukal ty, ale pokud jseš schopen z uvedené kvality posoudit přítomnost nýtů, divnost nasávacího otvoru a jiné detaily, tak klobouk dolů. Nejsem přesvědčen ani o jediné variantě, ale osobně se kloním k názoru, že je to real video a to z jednoduchého důvodu: Když už by někdo něco pracně animoval, jistě by si pro to našel o mnoho zajímavější námět, než takovýto jednoduchý pád (viz, monohokrát odkazovaný skákající Airbus). A střih po pádu má jednoduché a zde již zmíněné vysvětlení. Málokdo je schopen takovouto událost ustát s klidnou rukou a chladnou hlavou. |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:17 | |
| | | to video v prvnim prispevku je asi fakt podvrh .... nelibi se mi ten strih mezi padem a pozarem, je tam jednoznacne strih, protoze po tom strihu je tam najednou uz velky pozar s mohutnym kourem vysoko nad tim .. to by nestihl tak rychle |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:29 | |
| | Priskac: Tak jo.
TvJZD: Za mnou jednou auto srazilo chlapa, od ty doby, kdyz vidim brzdit auto(teda prudce brzdit), tak se otocim a nevim proc, reflex. Jestli si videl to video z Ukrajiny, jak Su nalitlo do davu, tak ten kameraman taky nenatocil naraz. Mohl to po narazu vypnout a po chvilce natacet a okomentovat to. |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:35 | |
| | To clear up some misinformation
about the first Turbo ‘Bou (N400NC)
crash at Gimli, Canada, I had the sad
experience of being there at the time
and would have been in the right seat
on that flight if the owner had not
bumped me from it just prior. I did
the video of the takeoff.
The flight was being conducted to
obtain a ferry permit. Still in the
development phase, the aircraft was
soon to be flown to Cape May, NJ,
where the program would continue
toward a Transport Canada STC
approval.
Development flights often find
systems that need to be improved. It
had not been rushed into test flight
by a “Bone Head” owner. This guy
was very well thought of by his
associates as well as we employees.
He and Goby certainly treated us
more like good friends than
owner/employee.
The pilot was a very experienced, ex
USAF type with lots of time in the
Caribou. Twenty plus development
flight hours had been flown as a
turbo on this aircraft and I was on
board the day before, when a number
of high speed runs were conducted.
The Canadian Accident Investigation
report indicated their belief that the
controls were most likely not
unlocked prior to the take off, and a
full freedom of movement was not
conducted prior to the takeoff roll. It
is very unlikely that the pilot would
have pulled the control lock handle
into the locked position during the
take off. It took about 10 seconds
from the time he was in an extreme
pitch up attitude until impact and
that's not much time for a pilot to
determine what was wrong and
correct it. Most pilots ignore check
lists now and then and some of us
have gotten away with it. No one will
ever know the exact events and
everyone can speculate
To je z jednoho PDFka.
http://www.otter-caribou.org/logbook.pdf
A z airliners.net:
This accident ironically occurred in Manitoba, at Gimli – the site of the Air Canada 767 fuel-exhaustion incident.
The aircraft involved was an experimental, modified version of the Caribou which had undergone conversion to turbine power, and was being tested to check fuel and hydraulic systems on the date of the crash, 27 August 1992.
Although the aircraft apparently rotates and climbs normally, photographic evidence indicates that control-surface movement was minimal, suggesting that the gust-locks were engaged.
While there was elevator movement upon rotation, the elevators returned to the neutral position and remained there. This is in line with the operation of the gust-lock – if the control surfaces are not in the neutral position when the lock is engaged, movement of the surfaces through neutral will engage it.
In addition to preventing control-surface movement, the gust-lock lever is supposed to inhibit the power levers to prevent the pilot from applying take-off power. It was found that the aircraft’s take-off distance was 20% longer than expected.
Wreckage analysis determined that the rudder lock was fully engaged and the aileron lock had only been disengaged at the moment of impact, supporting the conclusion that the gust-lock system had not been fully disengaged ahead of the flight, and that at least some of the locks had engaged after take-off.
Moral of the story: Check you have complete, free movement of all your control surfaces before you go anywhere.
Takze to s tou nezajistenou sedackou asi nebude pravda. |
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| | Dik, pokusim se alespon o castecny preklad:
Za kniplem byl velmi zkuseny pilot - USAF veteran - s mnoha naletanymi hodinami na Caribou. Se strojem bylo naletano vice jak dvacet hodin zkusebnich letu ve verzi turbo a ja sam jsem v nem letel den predtim, kdy bylo provedeno nekolik zkusebnich rozjezdu (? - high speed runs).
Kanadsky urad pro vysetrovani leteckych nehod dosel ve sve zprave k tomu, ze nebylo pred vzletem odemknute rizeni a pred rozjezdem nebyla overena volnost ovladani. Pilot nejspis behem rozjezdu stlacil paku zamku ovladani. Behem 10 vterin se letoun ocitl v extremnim naklonu a dopadl na zem. To neni pro pilota moc casu se zabyvat a zjistit, co je spatne a napravit to... |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 20:32 | |
| | | A co říkáš na tu destrukci draku při pádu ??? Me se to nezdá jako animované... |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 20. 4. 2006 / 21:02 | |
| | dneska neni problem naanimovat prakticky cokoli ...
ale myslim, ze nema asi moc smysl resit, jestli to bylo nebo nebylo animovane... vypada to ale dost ... desive... |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Re: Re: Blbej takeoff zadna animace:( 21. 4. 2006 / 13:43 | |
| | | Jen názor bez argumentů. Od začátku jsem přesvědčen, že nejde o animaci. Všechny detaily, o kterých se zde diskutovalo jako o sporných, odpovídají skutečnosti (nátěr, povrch, pruhy, událost, průběh, doba manévru, destrukce, rozsah požru atd, atd.), jsou všechny zcela jasně přesné a odpovídající konkrétnímu éru (pochopitelně měl jiné motory, když šlo o testovací let s jinými motory...). Těžko tedy rozsoudit. Jestli animace, pak velmi věrná skutečné tragické události - a proto stejně hrozná, jako kdyby to byl reál (jak myslím já). ... |
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