|  |  | LCD 19" - obnovovací frekvence , poraďte... 5. 2. 2006 / 15:58 | |
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 |  |  | Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:17 | |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:21 | |
|  | tu recenzi jsem samozřejmě četl. tehle monitor je u mne na 3 místě. filmy v jeho podání hrůza díky korekčnímu čipu na barvy.nevíš jak to je s tou frekvencí??? |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:23 | |
|  | A co si dočetl o hp 1902? Vážně o něm uvažuji, ale na recenze jsem se ještě nedostal. Pouze mi byl pro MSFS doporučen |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:30 | |
|  | odezva 16ms dnes už je poměrně vysoká, navíc to co udáva výrobce je věc jedna a skutečnost je ještě samozřejmě horší. navíc má jen analogovej vstup čímž se zhoršuje obraz, protože signál se 2x musí přeložit... kolik stojí??? |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:32 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:43 | |
|  | No popravdě řečeno nehodlám při nákupu LCD šetřit. Teď se probírám odkazy od tebe a možná se vydám cenově ještě výš. Čumím do toho denně tolik hodin, že se vyšší investice vyplatí. Jinými slovy - hp jsem právě teď vyloučil.... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:47 | |
|  | řekl bych že jedny z nej LCD jsou EIZO, ale cena u nich je dost vysoká. hledám tak nějak optimální cena/výkon, a proto se ted rozhoduju mezi těmahle třema monitorama. ted jsem čet poměrně obsáhlou recenzi, kde jsem se dost zhrozil na tím jaký muj dosavadní favorit od viewsoniku (kterej vinikající odezvu R/F) má barevný podání... fakt jsem toho přečet už dost, a jsem už téměř rozhodnutej pro ten Hyunday. ale pořád mi vrtá hlavou jak je to stou frekvencí
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:49 | |
|  | Na kolik vyjde Hundai? A kde nakupuješ? Já dost často využívám www.korunka.cz |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 16:53 | |
|  | bud v czechcomputers, nebo impactcomputers, obcas v alzasoftu impactcomp ma nejlevnejsi monitory co jsem zatim nasel |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: LCD 19 6. 2. 2006 / 10:23 | |
|  | Určitě do svýho rozhodování přidej Fujitsu-Siemens P19-2. Opravdu stojí za to. Mám teď jeho většího brášku (P20-2) a jsem maximálně spokojenej. Technologie S-PVA, rychlá odezva, hodně dobré a hlavně reálné barvy bez skokových přechodů, černá co je černá, digi vstup, rovnoměrné podsvícení, kontrast 1000:1...a ta cena....
Osobně ho považuju za kvalitativně "téměř EIZO", ale za mnohem lepší cenu. |
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|  | Jo jo, mám v práci stejný a je to paráda. |
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|  | TFT Active Matrix jsou vsechny moderni LCDcka...
Vzhledem k velmi kratke odezve bych tipoval, ze u Hyundai pujde o TN, coz je z hlediska doby odezvy sice v tuto chvili nejlepsi volba, ale ve vsech ostatnich nejhorsi. Osobne bych pro typicky MSFS k tomu nejakou desktop praci doporucoval jedine PVA, nejlip S-PVA, nebo naky jiny vychytany overdrive. TN je vylozene pro FPS strilecky a uzivatele kteri nic jinyho nedelaji a S-IPS zase pro grafiky, kteri ale ozeli nejakou tu odezvu (a pro ty co maji vetsi penezenky).
Jinak honeni se za co nejnizsi odezvou je imho spatna cesta - ta moje 20" ma jeste horsi odezvu nez 19" a presto je to pro vsechno co provozuju (online litani a rizeni a k tomu pak uz jen "klasicke" desktopove aplikace) uplne v pohode. Dokonce i pro LCDcka nejhorsi aplikace - IvAc nebo IvAe (jasne prvky na cernem pozadi) jsou bezproblemu pouzitelne. Navic jeste jedna vec - kazdy LCDcko ma po urcite dobe zahrati (tak 30 minut cca) mnohem lepsi parametry odezvy, nez kdyz ho pustis. A mam obavu, ze hodne ruznych testu prave na tenhle fakt nebere prilis ohledu. A diky slozitosti napr. PVA krystalu je to jednoznacne pritezujici fakt ve vyslednem hodnoceni, i kdyz pri realne praci to takhle nevnimas... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: LCD 19 6. 2. 2006 / 12:43 | |
|  | jj Eizo je fajn mam ted v praci dve LCD 568 flexscan a pokuk je to moc fajnovej |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 13:14 | |
|  | kua ... čím víc se v tom nimram ti větší v tom mam bordel. ted jsem zase vyštoural že ten hyundai ma 6bit hloubku barev stejně jako ten samsung 930bf. není to nějak málo? u ostatních čtu většinou 8bit, ty lepší maj 10bit... poradte.... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 13:24 | |
|  | Je to málo a u TNek docela normální jev. Holt hon za ms něco stojí. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 13:54 | |
|  | Otázka je, jestli má cenu se honit za milisekundami. Vždyť FSka stejně reálně nedává víc než 20-30 fps, to už nějakých 5ms nevytrhne. Já vím, že LCD s pomalou odezvou mají snahu rozmazávat obraz, ale provozoval jsem FS i se starším 20" Fujitsu-Siemens se 16 ms a taky to vypadalo dobře. Podle mne když má displej 8 tak je úplně v pohodě. Spíš bych dal přednost barevnému podání, kontrastu a rovnoměrnosti podsvitu. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 14:01 | |
|  | Jj.... je to stejny priblizne jako honba za megahertzy u procesoru ... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 14:26 | |
|  | mno a to tady celou dobu řeším. najít monitor s optimálníma vyrovnanejma parametrama za rozumnou cenu.  |
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|  | Já osobně jsem vybral LCD "očima" )
Přišel jsem do prodejny a v záplavě všech možnej značek ten můj prostě "vyčuhoval" (nebo spíš "vyzařoval" Chce to ten CRYSTAL-BRITE prostě vidět, jinak je to parametrama všechno stejný.
mimochodem, zkoušel jsem doma dražší 19" HP1955 z práce a ten mě třeba na FSku absolutně nevyhovoval. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: LCD 19 ... bordel 6. 2. 2006 / 16:44 | |
|  | Problem je v tom, ze v kazdym normalnim krame maji LCDcka
1.) Zapojeny pres analogovy vstup
2.) Zapojene do jednoho PC pres rozbocku
3.) Tahana obycejnym neodrusenym tenkym kabelem
4.) A pousti na nich aplikace co vypadaji dobre na temer kazdym LCDcku
5.) Malokdy vam pusti vas vlastni soft
Vybrat dobry LCDcko "ocima" znamena
1.) Mit ho zapojeny pres DVI
2.) Mit ho tak nejmin pulhodinu pusteny
3.) Vyzkouset prave ony kriticke aplikace - barevne prechody, cele obrazovky jednou barvou, rychle pohyby svetlych a zejmena hodne tenkych objektu na tmavem pozadi, tmave pozadi ve tmave mistnosti, apod.
4.) Obrnit se trpelivosti pri hledani vadnych pixelu - ovsem, to je stejne zbytecny, protoze stejne prece nebudete kupovat ten co maji vystavenej a uz vubec ne v takovym drahym kramu ze  |
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|  | a právě proto sem vždy chodil kolem těhle "stěn" bez povšimnutí protože mě všechny LCD připadaly až na menší odchylky úplně stejný.
Až jednoho dne jsem "jí spatřil .... a byla to láska na první pohled"! ))) |
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|  | Takhle: v práci ho mám "na práci" t.j. běžné kancl.& graf. aplikace, a v tom je SUPER, ale jak sem ho dotáhl dom a pustil na něm gamesy, tak to byla hrůza Když ho např. porovnám s Acer 19" AL1951b co teď mám, tak je to opravdu hoooodně velkej rozdíl a to nepřeháním. |
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|  | ty máš ten acerAL1951b? je vhodný na hry i na fsku, na práci a tak??? já se aceru dost bojim.... hodnoty má ale dobrý "co píšou" ten acer acerAL1951c je vněčem lepší? |
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|  | nemáš kdyžtak ICQ? at nezatezuju forum... |
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|  | Nema smysl se honit za ms, rozhodne ne pro FSku. |
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 |  |  | Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 17:01 | |
|  | opravdu nikdo si neví rady? ) |
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 |  |  | Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 18:12 | |
|  | Odpovím si tedy sám (možná i ostatním kteří si tím nejsou jisti...) U LCD nemá cenu tehle parametr řešit, na kvalitu to nemá vliv, obraz nebliká protože technologie je uplně jiná než u crt. takže parametr nastavení je víceméně z důvodu kompatibility. naopak při 60Hz je obraz ostřejší a kvalitnější. ) |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 19:04 | |
|  | a na kolika ho máš nastavenej? četl jsem ted ze je lepsi nechat 60Hz, je pry lepsi ostrost, protože není tak vytížená šířka pásma. já mam vůči aceru nějak averzi. máme je ve škole a nějak mi nesedí ten jejich obraz. ale je to asi tím že jsou tam nějaký levný 17" ,takže tvuj monitor bude asi trochu jinde |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 20:11 | |
|  | Jedu na 75Hz. Ohledně kvality, ono to asi bude jako se vším - t.j. můžeš narazit na problematickej kus u jakékoliv značky. Byl jsem vůči zn. Acer také dost "odměřený" a dlouho jsem váhal, ale stačilo jedno shlédnutí a porovnání a nebylo co řešit 
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 19:19 | |
|  | koukam že v osravě jsou levnější monitory než v praze  |
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 |  |  |  | Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 19:03 | |
|  | Pokud se obraz na LCD nehybe, respektive dany pixel nemeni barvu nebo intezitu, sviti proste furt, proto je skoro jedno jaka je obnovovaci frekvence. Jedine kdy zalezi na obnovovaci frekvenci je tehdy, kdyz se dany bod prekresluje. Takze pokud se meni cela scena na monitoru, muze se stat, ze bude obraz mirne nestabilni, napr. pri 60Hz, 75Hz je lepsi, ale nejaky zasadni rozdil v tom neni. Vyssi hodnoty jsem zatim u LCD nevidel. |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 20:14 | |
|  | Já mám už rok Samsung SyncMaster 913N s rychlostí 8ms (5+3. Loni jsem za něj dal 17.000,- Ostrost a vše naprosto vyhovující,vysoká svítivost.Filmy chodí plynule hry taky, ale v FSce jsem si tou koupí pohoršil,protože monitor pracuje nejlépe v rozlišení 1280x1024x32bit a to už zaměstnává můj procesor o frek 1400 MHz natolik,že mi to v plných detailech jede na 7-12 FPS max a cuká se. S CTR vše lítalo naplno plynule. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 22:20 | |
|  | já používám LCD 19´´ PHILIPS 190 S a nemám problém jak s FS tak s filmy. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 22:35 | |
|  | Já používám také Samsung 20" SyncMaster 204Ts a plná spokojenost. Jak na FS tak na ostatní grafiku. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: LCD 19 5. 2. 2006 / 23:01 | |
|  | jj tuhle bolest mam taky: 800*600 vyprodukuje genialni FPS ale sunc master a ani jiny LCD proste neumi "pokratit" body aby to vypadalo opravdu slusne. Stromky my tak divne zrni... a mam jak Samsung, tak Huyndai
http://www.mujweb.cz/www/icecage/picture%20013.jpg |
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