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|  | na nove rikaj ze pry padal v rotaci dolu to musela byt hruza hlavne ze prezil |
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 |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 13. 4. 2008 / 19:50 | |
|  | Asi tak nějak ,ale to jsou zase dohady NOva to všechno dramatizuje. Ale nechápu jak mohou pustit letadlo bez provedení kontroly. |
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 |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 13. 4. 2008 / 20:16 | |
|  | Zatím je málo veřejných informací. Ale ono provedení kontroly vylučuje možnost technické závady ?  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 13. 4. 2008 / 20:31 | |
|  | Nevylučuje, pouze snižuje možnost rozpadu letadla ve vzduchu. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 13. 4. 2008 / 20:33 | |
|  | a já měl dneska první let, hold, každej má svuj den :-x |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 15. 4. 2008 / 16:24 | |
|  | záleží jak se provede a zda se vůbec provede  |
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 |  |  | havaroval větroň 14. 4. 2008 / 18:41 | |
|  | a ja som si myslel ze vsetky tie bezmotorove nehody su prec aj s nestastnym rokom 2007 |
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 |  |  | havaroval větroň 15. 4. 2008 / 14:01 | |
|  | předběžná zpráva: ... ve výšce cca 50m došlo k přechodu kluzáku VSM-40 Démant do vývrtky a následnému nárazu do země. Pilot težce zraněn, kluzák zničen. Nalezeno přerušené a poškozené lanko ovládání směrovky. Pilot hlásil potíže s ovládáním směrovky.
Zdroj: Aeroweb.cz
S tím v 50m nenaděláš nic. Pilotovi držím palce a přeju brzké a dobré uzdravení! |
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 |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 12:15 | |
|  | Nas pravdu v 50 metroch si ani nestihnes uvedomit, co sa deje. Asi spadol v zatacke do vrtaku. Demat je krasny oldtimer. Ale podla pamatnikov narocny na presnost pilotaze. Kazdy rok je na jar vacsina kraksni. Ludia nie su vylietany a preto robia chyby v technike pilotaze. Drzim pilotovi palce. |
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|  | hmmm uz to zase zacina... z aeroklubu nam minulej rok odesli dva clenove timto zpusobem a nechci ani videt co se bude dit letos... jojo sobota a nedele byly pekny letovy dny, trochu foukalo ale kdyz je abstak.... |
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|  | Bojím se, že problém je v tom, že to byl vlastně oldtimer. Nebo se mýlím? Tam takovéhle technické závadě předejdeš jen těžko. A bohužel v 50 metrech ani nemáš šanci vystoupit, to je prostě superpech... |
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 |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 09:31 | |
|  | jojo, jak jde o tahla a jejich upevneni tam predletovou kontrolou nezjistis nic, to bys to musel vetsinou odkrytovat atd.... ale naopak, i kdyz spadnul do vrtaku v 50 metrech psali ze par metru nad zemi stacil vyskocit.... jen by me zajimalo jak jsou tam udelany tahla k smerovkam, kdyz ti praskne jedno lanko tak by smerovka mela zustat na stredu a ne ze ji druhy volnejsi lanko vychyli a nejde ji uz srovnat a des ve skluzu az na zem... divny... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 10:11 | |
|  | to mi prave taky prijde uplne divny. navic normalne sem v zakladni osnove tohle trenoval, pristani bez pouziti smerovky. akorat teda tesne nad zemi mi instruktor povolil pedaly abych nahodou nesvlik, nebo neprotocil kolo, ale jinak vsechno bez ni a slo... spis bych si tipnul, ze kdyz letel tak mel vyslapnute rizeni a to se mu zablokovalo v nejake krajni poloze |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 10:18 | |
|  | Musíš si představit sled událostí. Máš nohy na pedálech, točíš v 50 metrech. Chceš šlápnout a v tom ti rupne lanko. Druhá noha bezděky prošlápne na druhou stranu - druhá výchylka naplno, pád do vývrtky. Kontra noha se instinktivně opře o prázdný pedál, éro pořád vrtá. Co bys tady chtěl dělat, než potlačit - a když to nepomůže, tak vystoupit? Nestihneš se ani pomodlit! Bojím se, že by někteří v takovovu chvíli ztuhli a nebyli schopni udělat nic, protože tohle není žádná situace, kterou cvičíš !!! |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 10:42 | |
|  | jojo v 50 metrech bych se nestacil ani pomodlit, natoz odhodit kabinu a vyskocit... jinymi slovy se znova narodil, a je to i dalsi dukaz toho ze litani je vcelku nebezpecnej konicek, protoze konkretne tahle zavada se bohuzel projevi vetsinou az ve vzduchu i kdyz ma ero vsechny predpsany prohlidky i vymeny... kdyz se zamylsim ze prek kazdym letem clovek clouma vsim moznym jestli to nejni uvolneny, kontroluje kazdou blbost ktera je videt a nakonec te vypece to co videt nejni.... |
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|  | "je to i dalsi dukaz toho ze litani je vcelku nebezpecnej konicek"
Myslím, že jsou i mnohem nebezpečnější. Třeba taková jízda autem ... a to už nehovořím o jízdě na motorce  |
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|  | hele nerej, ja sem zaroven i motorkar jasny ze z jednoho lanka nelze delat zavery, jen to kazdymu kdo seda za knipl ale pripomina ze nebezpeci neni jen mala termika nebo skovanej pluh v trave pri sedani na louce, ale je nutny mit na pameti ze obcas se tam nejakej klinek nebo lanku muze taky vyvyklat, my to zjistime to az 300 metru nad lesem kdyz je jaxi kulicka porad nadoraz a dela to nejak neplechu...  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 12:07 | |
|  | tezky specifikovat zda je nebezpecnejsi silnicni provoz nebo ULL litani a plachtareni. Hur vychazi silnicni provoz - ale vetsinou mas vetsi sanci ze prezijes pri nehode. Kdezto u ULL litani jsou "relativne" casto vyskytujici se zavady a kdyz uz, tak moc sanci na preziti nemas.... jestli mi rozumite...srovnavat to moc nejde...
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 12:24 | |
|  | ..ja ti rozumim.Nakonec asi nejlepsi bude plachtarit na zidli u kompu s Condorem.. ))Neni to spatne, ale plachtarske zazitky to nikomu neprinese,jestli mi rozumis ) |
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|  | Nakonec asi nejlepsi bude plachtarit na zidli u kompu s Condorem.. )) ............. |
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|  | Vieš dúfam kto to je Má to urobené perfektne |
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|  | Moc moc dobre. Ešte som u neho nebol.     |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 19:46 | |
|  | Hůř vychází silniční provoz z úplně jinýho důvodu než jsou technický závady. Bčko řidičák dostane každej magor v 18ti a pak se někde v š120 roseká se čtyřma lidmama vo strom. Pak si ještě udělej poměr aut a letadel respetive poměr řidičů a pilotů. To bude možná taky jeden důvod . |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 11:13 | |
|  | 1000% souhlas s MaPa - z jedný technický závady na expetimentál oldtimeru nemůžeš tvrdit, že je bezmotorové létání nebezpečné !!! |
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|  | ...je to dalsi dukaz toho ze litani je vcelku nebezpecnej konicek????
Tomu tvemu plachtarskemu pohledu teda moc nerozumim....A proc teda vlastne litas - kdyz je to tak nebezpecne? Ja se bojim vzdy daleko vic na silnici nez kdysi v Blaniku.Jo necekana technicka zavada se stat muze vzdycky, riziko nejde na 100 procent nikdy uplne vyloucit.Ale to nejde nikdy v nicem.Pripada mi, ze pravdepodobnost utrzeni lanka rizeni neni o moc vetsi, nez ze ti ze strechy padne na hlavu taska nabo v zime kus snehu a dopadnes uplne stejne....
Dovolim si tvrdit, ze ocelove lanko samo o sobe jen tak znicehonic proste nikdy nerupne.Bud byla zanedbana vymena, nebo proste nekde o neco semtam drelo, takze bylo nacate.Ale nechci spekulovat, Demanta znam jen zvenku.Preji vsem plachtarum do letosni sezony stedreho boha termosku a zadne potize natoz havarie!LETU ZDAR! |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 11:38 | |
|  | My sme mali v piatok celkom stastny den pokial ide na o technicku zavadu na aute. Prve bolo na jednom aute praskla gumicka na tesneni a od spojky (neviem odborny nazov) a nemohol som zaradit tym padom rychlost, lebo hydraulika vytiekla na cestu. A ja zostal stat na rusnej krizovatke este dokonca v lavom pruhu. Nakoniec isli okolo znamy co ma odtlacili mimo cestu. Este ze to neboli brzdy vsak. A na druhom aute o par hodin mojmu ocovi prasklo lanko tiez na spojke ale on dokazal ist ku garazi. Ale ja by sa nedokazal rozbehnut zo starterom a potom prehadzovat (svedomie mi to nechcelo dovolit ). Nechcem si predstavit co by to mohlo v lietadle znamet, take poruchy. |
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|  | Presne, ako hovris. Ani si neuvedomis co sa deje. Telo zacne pumpovat adrenalin, robis co si sa naucil, ale nic nefunguje. Jednoducho vytuhnes a si v strese, mozno si stihnes zahresit to je vsetko. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 10:41 | |
|  | "jen by me zajimalo jak jsou tam udelany tahla k smerovkam"
Normálně. Jen si musíš taky uvědomit, že tenhle stroj měl směrovku s aerodynamickým odlehčením, takže podle mě postačí hmotnost druhého lanka k udržení výchylky, kterou mu udělíš předtím nohou. |
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|  | Jsi si tím odlehčením jistej?
Jednak myslím, že odlehčení (pokud bylo) bylo minimální (nedaří se mi takhle rychle pohledat bokorys démanta, ale myslím, že neměl ani tu trošku, co měl před osou otáčení Šohaj) a druhak si myslím, že hmotnost lanka nikde nic neudrží. Zvlášť jestli to lanko ruplo u zadního srdíčka... |
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|  | Ano pane dochtor, s tou směrovkou jsem se trapně seknul.
Zato druhá poznámka mi nějak uniká. Pokud lanko praskne u zadního srdíčka, tak to druhý lanko tahat může (nemůže už ale tlačit). Takže zatáhne a pak vlastní hmotností a odporem v lanovodu to už docela slušně udrží ve výchylce. Zvlášť pokud to není na vysoký rychlosti. |
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|  | No a to je právě prů*er, protože to druhý lanko táhne - a když spadneš do vrtáku (na tu stranu) ani bohovi nedáš kontra - to jsem měl na mysli.
Když ti rupne dost vysoko (někdo tu psal 300m - to by bylo dost i na nový "nahození motoru" a pak teprve skákat padákkem )- a jestli se včas probereš ze šoku, jen dáš nohy z pedálů a potlačíš, tak máš šanci, že to vyběhne - a po nějakym cloumání letíš rovně. Pak můžeš občas zahnout na tu stranu, co ti lanko zbylo - a možná se dovlečeš i domů. Ale ne po pádu do vrtáku v 50 metrech... si myslim... |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | havaroval větroň 16. 4. 2008 / 16:40 | |
|  | čistě mezi námi teoretiky. Aby létadlo spadlo do vrtáku, tak k tomu nestačí prasklé lanko od směrovky.
MaPova teorie tedy znní:
Prasklo lanko a pilot se věnuje řešení problému s nožním řízením, anniž by sledoval horizont a ubývající rychlost až nastala situace, kdy se sešla ideální rychlost a kopnutí správnou nohou ... zbytek už tady je někde popsán docela podrobně.
Apropo, osobně se mu nedivím, taky bych se nejspíš věnoval pedálům a čučel kamsi ke svým nohám. |
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