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|  | Spíš 350 nebo 787.....proč se vracet zpět,330 už není nic nového. |
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|  | Hmm, jenze A350 bude nejdriv za 5 let, coz je pro CSA opravdu HODNE pozde. Tou dobou budou mit jine long-haul stroje nebo nic... |
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|  | letadlo neni auto, ze ho kazdy dva roky obmenis za novej model ... a zrovna u nakupu letadel jsou dulezitejsi trosku jiny veci nez to, jestli je to zrovna posledni model nebo trosku starsi, ale porad dobry, letadlo... |
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 |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 13:30 | |
|  | Máte pravdu chlapi.Nejak poslední dobou mám radši Boeing,kdyz sem na Ruzyni prolejzal sim na 320,tak mi to přišlo víc vymakaný pro žraní a válení,než pro pilotáž.Vlastně ono dopravní lítání,to tak trochu je žraní a válení.Ten megastolek před pilotem,všude místa habaděj...zlátá 737 s budíkama!Tam mám aspoň pocit jako v letadle.Dřív to byli chlapi a né mašiny,ale to je nová doba. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 14:02 | |
|  | Pocuj kolko mas nalietanych hodin, ked porovnavas dopravne lietanie so zranim a valanim sa? Ale asi nic, teda okrem simulatora na PC. Ten magastolik, je tam preto, lebo posadka ma vsetky udaje o letovom plane v notbokoch, vratane letovych a pristavacich map v elektronickej podobe. A kedze mat notas na kolenach, medzi baranmi je dost nepohodlne. Jasne aj mne sa pacia lietadla, ktore maju klasicku pristrojovu dosku a jedina elektronika na palube boli digitalky pilotov a radiostanica, ale tych 5 displayov Ti posketne o 100% viac informacii ako plna palubovka klasickych pristrojov. Takze tak sa vceci maju. BTW CSA sa zrejme priklonia k Airbusom, 330 je v zasade monotyp s 319,320. Takze posadky vlastne maju vyskolene, akurat urobie kratke preskolenie na simulatore. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 14:13 | |
|  | to neni celkom pravda. A-330 je celkom novy typ. Rada 318/319/320/321 je jeden typ, podobne, ako B737/300-900 - cize staci jeden kurz a mas v podstate 5 typoviek... kedezto A330 je nieco uplne ine a typovka sa robi uplne nanovo, vratane simulatoru, teorie a ostrych letov. Zaujimavostou je napriklad aj to, ze napriklad B757 a B767 je papierovo/typovkovo jeden typ, ale A330 a A340 su dva rozlicne typy... Takisto by som nerobil take skore uzavery ohladom vyberu typu. Velkym prekvapenim bolo, ked si CSA objednali nove Airbusy rady 31x a 32x. Keby sa vtedy rozhodli pre B 737, tak posadky a mechanici by presli nejakym refresh-kurozom na NG typy 737 a usetrili by hromadu financii, ale aj napriek tomu sa rozhodli pre Airbusy, ktorych kupa bola pravdpodobne vyhodnejsia... Podobne to moze byt aj v tomto pripade. |
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|  | nie je to 737-100 - 900, je to 737-100/200 a 737-300/400/500/600/700/800/900 |
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|  | Spatne 737-100/200 original... 737-300/400/500... clasic 737-600/700/800/900... next genaration
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|  | pravdu mate oba dva )) pokud na NG nastavis aby se na LCD zobrazovaly "klasicke" budiky misto "moderniho" zobrazeni, tak je to jednotny pro celou radu 300-900 (ale mohu se mylit, pouze jsem trosku googloval  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 15:38 | |
|  | Popravdě, mezi klasickou a novou generací B737 je největší rozdíl právě v inovaci systémů jako je třeba klimatizace. Piloti tyto systémy musí důvěrně znát a opravdu to není jenom o budících, co mají v kokpitu. V mnoha nouzových situacích musí pilot myslet trošku na něco jiného, než co mu indikují budíky. Měl by znát, který systém je na jakém závislý, proto by měl mít nastudované technické příručky, znát "jádro" letadla. Kdysi se takhle zřítilo letadlo British Midland B734 jenom díky tomu, že piloti dříve létali B733. Přitom mezi nimi bylo tolik rozdílů, že piloti špatně zareagovali.
Rád si přečtu případnou kritiku mého textu. |
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|  | me to nerikej ... ja to nevymyslel ...jjenom jak jsem koupil, tak prodavam dal .) |
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|  | ako hovorim, typovky na 737 su dve. jedna je 737-100/200 a druha je 737-300/400/500/600/700/800/900
jediny rozdiel medzi klasic a NG je v tom, ze na vyssiu radu sa robi trojdnovy distancny kurz..papierovo je to vsak vsetko jeden typ..HOWGH  |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 15:19 | |
|  | Kamarád co lítá u ČSA 737, tak má v piloťáku kvalifikaci od 300 až po 900. |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 28. 8. 2006 / 15:34 | |
|  | Ja mam v pilotaku CPL a prepadnuty IFR, ktory mi je ako praskarovi na dve veci
Skor to ma v zapisniku letov, to len tak momochodom.
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|  | Má to určitě v piloťáku - v takový tý modrý knížečce.Akorát tam má těch listů víc a když se to rozbalí, jsou tam vypsaný i ty boeingy.V zapisníku to bude mít jistě taky, ale tohle jsem viděl na svoje vlastní 4 oči .Příště to asi rovnou vyfotím. |
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|  | Já mám teda taky modrou knížku, ale tam o Boeingu nic nemám... Mám tam, že jsem státem uznanej neschopnej k výkonu základní vojenské služby.. )))) |
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|  | Tak to musíš rovnou do pokračovacího výcviku  |
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|  | a čo je pokračovací výcvik neschopný vojenskej služby? že by neschopnosť k právnym úkonom  |
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|  | Ano, tu jsem dostal po zranění v armádě taky ale to není to ono co jsem měl na mysli.Ještě jsem k ní dostal oranžovej koresponďák, na kterém stálo, že jsem trvale vyškrtnut za stavu armády české republiky.Byla to krása, kulhal jsem si tenkrát radostně nakapat do strojku a mohutně oslavil svůj rozchod s tou kreténskou zelenou šaškárnou |
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|  | nene, po novom sa typovky uz pisu priamo do preukazov.. kazdy typ je kvazi ako triedna kvalifikacia a tu potom predlzuje TRE opat priamo do preukazu podobne, ako ti FE predlzuje SEP(L) MEP(L) SET(L) ULL(A) TMG a pod... |
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|  | necitim potrebu sa s tebou hadat, ale kvoli tomuto som vcera cital JAR-FCL! stojim si za tym, co som napisal! |
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|  | Jak moc (jestli vubec) se lisi pro posadky vycvik a certifikace pro 300-500 a NG 600-900 nevim. Ale mel jsem na mysli spise pozadavky pri konstrukci letadla. Certifikace noveho letadla (B727,B737 etc.) je vyrazne prisnejsi, narocnejsi a drazsi nez zavadeni nove typove rady (-100,-200,...) S puvodni B737-100 dnes NG moc spolecneho nema, presto je certifikovana jako stejne letadlo vcetne vsech z toho vyplyvajicich vyhod... |
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|  | Ono, když je nějaký stát (a ještě naší velikosti a ekonomické síly)členem Evropské unie, tak zas tak moc na výběr nemá...
A když se k tomu ještě připočítá politická hra o aerolinky (Tvrdík určitě nepřišel do ČSA proto, aby je pozvednul), tak je jasný, že vyhrála dražší varianta... |
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|  | Boze, matesi ... uz to s tou paranoiou trosku prehanis.... )) |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 15:28 | |
|  | Bože Tragéde, udělej mi radost a vlez mi na záda...
Nestojim o Tvoje přiblbý narážky, typu paranoia apod.
Neznáme se natolik dobře, abys o mě mohl něco takovýho tvrdit..
Tvoje snaha bejt za každou cenu vtipnej občas překračuje meze slušnýho vychování. |
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|  | k te vete: Zaujimavostou je napriklad aj to, ze napriklad B757 a B767 je papierovo/typovkovo jeden typ, ale A330 a A340 su dva rozlicne typy
to neni ulpne dobre srovnani.. zatimco 757 a 767 ma 2 motory, tak 330 a 340 v tomto jednotne nejsou (2 a 4 motory) ...
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|  | to je sice pravda..ale konstrukcne a z hladiska avioniky su 757/767 ovela viac rozmanitejsie ako 330 a a340 |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A330 nebo B787 pro ČSA 18. 8. 2006 / 16:32 | |
|  | Takže mily pane,na simulátoru ČSA na Ruzyni mám asi 15 hodin,zhruba 30 hodin letu v kabině s posádkou při letech na dovolenou.To,co jsem napsal,je můj názor a ten snad můžu říct.Pokud sem tím někoho pobouřil,je mi to líto.Když sem letěl s Kypru v A-310 Cyprus airlines,kapitán se uráčil odstartovat,pak zapálil doutník,dal nohy na palubní desku a četl si,pak si zdřímnul,officer tam něco pařil na nootebooku...Díky bohu,že jsme s rodinou doletěli v pořádku! |
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|  | Tyyyjo, to uz ses koukam velkej kluk  |
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|  | Ako nefajciar si mohol poziadat kapitana o to, aby dutnik zadusil... neskac tu takto po ludoch  |
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|  | ad2: byt tebou, tak sa tu moc nevystatujem s tym, co si, kto si, kolko mas hodin na sime a kolko v kabine cestou na dovolenku, lebo ak si to precita niekto kompetentny, tak mozes zbytocne urobit zle ludom, ktori ti vysli v ustrety tym, ze ti dovolili to, co ti dovolili.... |
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|  | byla to jen odpověď pro člověka,který si myslel,že sem nikdy nic,než FS nelital.....to je všechno.A ten kourici kapitan,jenom to nechápu... |
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|  | No to je fajn, ja mam nalietanych cca 2700 hodin ako praskar a asi 4500 celkovo. Okrem toho niekolko dobrych priatelov, ktory lietaju ako dopravaci v Europe a USA. A mozem Ti zodpovedne povedat, ze dopravne lietanie nie je flakarina a veget aj ked to z dialky tak vyzera. Akykolvek simulator Ti nenahradi realny let. Ja som tiez BTW lietal asi dve hodiny na simulatore 747 ( v skoliacom stredisku America West - teraz US air po prevzati) v Arizone ale je to stale len hra, pokial nie si vo vycviku mimoriadnych pripadov za letu, to potis krv. A preco by si kapitan nedal cigaretku alebo fajku pocas letu, ked je vsetko v pohode. Okrem toho tam ma druheho pilota, ten urobi zmenu kurzu na autopilote a komunikkuje s ATC Ale dostat sa na level kapitana to je pekna drina a dlho cakas, kys sa dostanes na lave kreslo. |
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